Underfolder ak

[slickjoesd]

i am looking for somewhere that sells ethier:

1. Longer barrel to make my underfolder 30"

or

2. a Barrel Extention or fake can or something that will make my barrel 30".


anyone have any ideas? seen any on the net?


pm me or email me slickjoesd@aol.com

[PanzerAce]

IIRC, the length is counted when the stock is fully deployd....

[blkA4alb]

IIRC, the length is counted when the stock is fully deployd....

nope, it is measured when collapsed in its smallest configuration. Most people pin the stock in the unfolded postion to meet the requirement.

[TKo_Productions]

nope, it is measured when collapsed in its smallest configuration. Most people pin the stock in the unfolded postion to meet the requirement.

Please reference the appropriate section of law.

Thanks.

[grammaton76]

Please reference the appropriate section of law.

I don't know the appropriate section of law, but I will second that I've heard and believe that it's measured from the minimum configuration (folded, side-folded, or collapsed). Your only real option here is to affix a really long muzzle brake (or flash hider, if you're running pinned).

Wait, you're underfolding, you've gotta be running pinned - so yeah, you can do a really long flash hider too.

[socalguns]

Please reference the appropriate section of law.

Thanks.

Searching is easy

http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/dwcl/12275.htm

12276.1. (a) Notwithstanding Section 12276, "assault weapon" shall also mean any of the following:
(1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
(A) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
(B) A thumbhole stock.
(C) A folding or telescoping stock.
(D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
(E) A flash suppressor.
(F) A forward pistol grip.
(2) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
(3) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches.

What "overall length" means was determined by court ruling

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/usr/wbardwel/public/nfalist/nfa_faq.txt

Short shotguns and short rifles are defined at (c)(1) and (c)(2)
respectively; the definitions are essentially the same as federal
law. HOWEVER, unlike the feds, California courts have ruled that
the length of a rifle with a folding stock is measured with the
stock folded, not extended, as the feds do. So a gun that is not
a short rifle under federal law may be one under California law.
See People v. Rooney, 17 Cal.App.4th 1207 (1 Dist. 1993).

Due to these rulings, kel-tec (i think) made a rifle which can't be fired in folded position

[grammaton76]

Due to these rulings, kel-tec (i think) made a rifle which can't be fired in folded position

Actually, the SU-16 does fold up, but the California-legal versions can be considered more than just folding-stock. Because the folding section includes the trigger, it's folding not only the stock, but also an integral part of the fire control group. Thus it's a folding action, not a folding stock.

At least, I think that's why the SU-16 is legal...

[slickjoesd]

Thanks for nothing....

its when the stock is closed..... i am still looking for somethign that will make it longer..................................

[Charliegone]

Searching is easy




What "overall length" means was determined by court ruling


Due to these rulings, kel-tec (i think) made a rifle which can't be fired in folded position

Ughhh how f-n lame man, why can't cali follow federal standards.

[icormba]

Only applies to semi-auto... that's why I'm doing mine single shot bolt action which IS another OPTION.

[grammaton76]

its when the stock is closed..... i am still looking for somethign that will make it longer..................................

You've got two main options - the first is normal, the second is something I just came up with.

The typical thing to do, is put a really long muzzle brake on th e front and permanently affix it to bring up the overall length.

The weird thing, would be to weld or otherwise attach some kind of rod behind the rifle, but leave the folding stock unaltered. Ensure that the rod plus rifle length is 30", but that way you still have the cool underfolder look - you just have a slightly odd extra rod or "stocklet" sticking out.

I'm planning on an underfolder build, and this idea intrigues me... may just do it. Only thing I can think of which does allow you to address the 30" OAL without a big barrel extension...