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  • The Soup Nazi
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2006
    • 2455

    Really Conflicted...

    So I payed a visit to San Jose Gun Exchange, got to chat up one of the guys there a little bit, and I spotted a rack devoted to SKS rifles... I didn't care much for some of the Romanian or Yugoslavian ones they had, they had one Chinese one that was missing the insignia thats supposed to be on the left side of the receiver (was common though), but two Russian SKS rifles just caught my eye. I could tell they were slightly later versions. Laminated stocks, matching serial numbers, manufactured in Tula, slings were in very good condition, still had their blade bayonets. Now I'm in dilemna.

    I really want an SKS now, and the Mosin nagant M91/30 is starting to lose a little appeal because of this. (The store didn't carry any M91/30s, just 2 unissued Polish M44s and a Russian one that obviously saw a lot of action)

    Pros of buying an SKS:
    1. Its semi-automatic.
    2. Not as heavy recoil, might be a good gun as I'm going to be first time shooter.
    3. Blade style bayonet as opposed to Nagant's spiked bayonet.
    4. Higher capacity for rounds.
    5. Good excuse to stock up on 7.62X39mm so I'll be set for the day that the Assault Weapon Ban is Repealed, "in accordance to the prophecy."
    6. Not as heavy, My dad, a former Taiwanese officer, complained about the weight of the M1 Garand (which I found very heavy too), I couldn't imagine myself carrying a full size rifle like the M91/30 until I get older and stronger.
    7. Stripper clips not as expensive or as hard to find, should be a lot more reliable than any Mosin nagant clip.
    8. I can get a more expensive gun off my dad while I'm still not legally an adult

    Cons of buying an SKS:
    1. I won't have a bolt action rifle to pull. (and its a great feeling to be pulling the bolt back and having all the little kids stare at you)
    2. Isn't a WW2 item like the M91/30 was.
    3. I can't pretend to be Vasili Zaitsev.
    4. I won't have an excuse to buy several sardine cans of 7.62X54R anymore.
    5. I'd feel kind of guilty because I'm making my dad spend more money. (But then again, he wants an M1 Garand so whatever purchase I make would be minute compared to what he'd get if it were't CMP)

    Maybe some of you can offer me a suggestion to tip me one way or another. They seem like two good rifles I would be proud to have slinged on my shoulder. Both Russian, man, guns are like a gateway weapon, once you get into one, you want to get em all!

    Edited to add: By the way, anyone with experince buying SKSs, do they come with other accessories aside from the sling? I know the Mosin Nagants come with complete accessorie kits for free provided your dealer isn't a bastard. It'd also be helpful if maybe one can list what kind of accessories which might be important to it? (Whats the Russian Ammo Pouch anyways? I've heard that the Chinese have 10 stripper clip/magazine bandoliers which might be very cool to have)
    Last edited by The Soup Nazi; 04-21-2006, 5:35 PM.
  • #2
    Stanze
    Veteran Member
    • Oct 2005
    • 3301

    I have a Yugo M59, I enjoy shooting it!

    Here's a video of me doing just that, 9 out of 10 rounds into a man-sized target at 100 yards, that was my first time shooting that particular rifle too.

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    • #3
      islandchanel
      Member
      • Mar 2006
      • 463

      How much does the sks cost? How much will the 91/30 cost? Is there that much of a price difference?

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      • #4
        grammaton76
        Administrator
        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
        • Dec 2005
        • 9511

        Actually, I own both and I will say that the SKS is a heavier gun than the Mosin-Nagant. The 91/30 may be long, but it's narrow and not very heavy. You have one metal tube (the barrel) running the length of the firearm.

        But in the SKS, you've got two tubes, counting the gas piston. You've got a lot more complicated machinery involved.

        Of course, the ammo shortage is a concern for the SKS, and if you're looking at trying to go cheap, maybe something you won't be as tempted to fire too rapidly is a good idea.

        On the other hand, the SKS is semi-automatic and of the two, I would greatly prefer it in the event of urban SHTF.
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        • #5
          The Soup Nazi
          Senior Member
          • Apr 2006
          • 2455

          I think the blade bayonet and the semi automatic feature win it for me. SKS it is, even better if I can find a Chinese Honor Guard version.

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          • #6
            grammaton76
            Administrator
            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
            • Dec 2005
            • 9511

            Originally posted by The Soup Nazi
            I think the blade bayonet and the semi automatic feature win it for me. SKS it is, even better if I can find a Chinese Honor Guard version.
            Careful about those honor guard rifles, a lot of them are actually just chrome-plated here in the States by folks looking to make some extra cash.

            Just a word of caution. Not saying you won't be able to find one, just make sure it is what it says it is.
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            • #7
              Omega13device
              Senior Member
              • Jan 2006
              • 1943

              I think semi-auto is more fun for a first gun.

              Don't worry about the ammo shortage until you are actually running out. I find that oftentimes I don't get to the range as much as I'd like so I end up going through the ammo more slowly than I would have thought.

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              • #8
                The Soup Nazi
                Senior Member
                • Apr 2006
                • 2455

                I need to pick up a lot of stripper clips for it too. Hopefully it won't be 4 bucks a pop for the non crappy Soviet issue ones for the Mosin Nagant.

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                • #9
                  blkA4alb
                  Moderator Emeritus
                  CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                  • Feb 2006
                  • 3576

                  the stripper clips are cheap cheap cheap..most gun stores sell them for 10 for a buck or two. for going to the range practicality you dont really need more than 10. for SHTF, maybe more. also the less stripper clips you load and bring to the range the less ammo you burn. trust me..i still hold fast that you should get a bolt action 22 with open sights first though. you would thank me later.
                  Please, calm down.

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                  • #10
                    blacklisted
                    Veteran Member
                    • Oct 2005
                    • 2608

                    Get both!

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                    • #11
                      Satex
                      CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                      CGN Contributor
                      • Feb 2006
                      • 3501

                      I own an SKS rifle and enjoy shooting it. Its a fine rifle. Bolt action rifles are fun to shoot as well, and you save ammo since you shoot slower! We won't be able to help you make your mind up, "use the force young skywalker" and decide which rifle YOU would enjoy more. Try to think about what kind of shooting you want to do and see if that helps tip the scale to one rifle or the other.
                      Good luck and enjoy your decision! Be safe!

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                      • #12
                        phish
                        Veteran Member
                        • Jan 2006
                        • 3089

                        Have you looked at Irvington Arms in Fremont? I think there's a Nagant, if not two on the racks. Send a PM to BigMac or just call over there.

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                        • #13
                          metalhead357
                          Calguns Addict
                          • Jan 2006
                          • 5546

                          Originally posted by blacklisted
                          Get both!
                          Definitely would be my suggestion too.

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                          • #14
                            kantstudien
                            Senior Member
                            • Oct 2005
                            • 1795

                            Which one do you think is going to get banned first?

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                            • #15
                              taloft
                              Well used Member
                              CGN Contributor
                              • Sep 2002
                              • 2696

                              All matching, Tula SKS. If it is clean go for it.

                              These are getting harder to find, I would go with it now. They have gone up in value in the last several years. Mosin nagant M91/30's are not going to disappear any time soon.
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