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  • gsc3zny
    Senior Member
    • Jul 2011
    • 573

    question about headspace on an ar15

    I understand the need to measure headspace but am a little confused as to what i need. I have an ar 15 with a bcg and upper assembly for 5.56 and 2.23. I have been reading that the headspace gauges are different. Are they? And also, does anyone know of a set of gauges that are modified to go around the extractor pin? I really don't want to take it apart. It is a PSA upper and a RRA BCG. Any advice is appreciated
  • #2
    MrPlink
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Mar 2010
    • 12532

    If you didn't install the barrel you ate probably fine, Psa is gtg
    The California Moderate Centrist Militia member in exile

    disclaimer:
    everything I post is for arguendo and entertainment purposes only, and should not be construed to be legal advice

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    • #3
      CrippledPidgeon
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2007
      • 1765

      Originally posted by MrPlink
      If you didn't install the barrel you ate probably fine, Psa is gtg
      How could he install the barrel if he ate it?

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      • #4
        ar15barrels
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Jan 2006
        • 56947

        Originally posted by gsc3zny
        I understand the need to measure headspace but am a little confused as to what i need. I have an ar 15 with a bcg and upper assembly for 5.56 and 2.23. I have been reading that the headspace gauges are different. Are they? And also, does anyone know of a set of gauges that are modified to go around the extractor pin? I really don't want to take it apart. It is a PSA upper and a RRA BCG. Any advice is appreciated
        Update your profile with your location and maybe someone local to you will offer to check your headspace.
        I have the gauges and I am in Van Nuys...
        Randall Rausch

        AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
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        Barrel, sight and trigger work on most pistols and shotguns.
        Most work performed while-you-wait.

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        • #5
          DFence
          • Feb 2012
          • 1368

          Originally posted by gsc3zny
          I understand the need to measure headspace but am a little confused as to what i need. I have an ar 15 with a bcg and upper assembly for 5.56 and 2.23. I have been reading that the headspace gauges are different. Are they? And also, does anyone know of a set of gauges that are modified to go around the extractor pin? I really don't want to take it apart. It is a PSA upper and a RRA BCG. Any advice is appreciated
          Assuming you bought a quality barrel, there is no headspace adjustment on a AR contrary to a lot of belief.

          Yes the bbl could be screwed from the get go, but if you buy a quality product you should have nothing to worry about.
          Its not paranoid.....its prepared.

          NRA Certified Pistol/Rifle/Shotgun/PPIH/PPOH Instructor | NRA Certified RSO | NRA Life Member | GSSF Life Time Member | Surefire Low Light Instructor | Glock Certified Armorer | Utah CCW Instructor | Nevada CCW Instructor

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          • #6
            negolien
            Veteran Member
            • Sep 2010
            • 4829

            Headspacing is really only needed if you build an upper from scratch. I have purchased a couple of uppers from commercial sources and found no need to check headspacing.
            "Men sleep peacefully in their beds at night because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

            George Orwell

            http://www.AnySoldier.com

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            • #7
              starsnuffer
              Senior Member
              • Apr 2011
              • 2212

              You don't really headspace an AR. You can check headspace with a go/no-go guage, but you can't actually set headspace. You can make sure the barrel and barrel extension are torqued to the proper specs, but if headspace is off then you really can't loosen or tighten these to make the headspace correct.

              Your bolt is either going to be in spec or out of spec. There's nothing in the upper that can be adjusted to "set" headspace. The guages really check to make sure the bolt meets specs, and that the upper was assembled correctly, and not much else.

              -W

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              • #8
                ar15barrels
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Jan 2006
                • 56947

                Originally posted by negolien
                I have purchased a couple of uppers from commercial sources and found no need to check headspacing.
                What method did you use to determine there was no need to check headspace?
                Randall Rausch

                AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
                Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
                Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
                Barrel, sight and trigger work on most pistols and shotguns.
                Most work performed while-you-wait.

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                • #9
                  ar15barrels
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Jan 2006
                  • 56947

                  Originally posted by DFence
                  Yes the bbl could be screwed from the get go, but if you buy a quality product you should have nothing to worry about.
                  Even quality barrels and bolts slip-by the manufacturers that are out of spec.
                  The only way to know for sure is to check headspace yourself...
                  Randall Rausch

                  AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
                  Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
                  Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
                  Barrel, sight and trigger work on most pistols and shotguns.
                  Most work performed while-you-wait.

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                  • #10
                    DFence
                    • Feb 2012
                    • 1368

                    Originally posted by ar15barrels
                    Even quality barrels and bolts slip-by the manufacturers that are out of spec.
                    The only way to know for sure is to check headspace yourself...
                    Key word in my quote is "should".
                    Its not paranoid.....its prepared.

                    NRA Certified Pistol/Rifle/Shotgun/PPIH/PPOH Instructor | NRA Certified RSO | NRA Life Member | GSSF Life Time Member | Surefire Low Light Instructor | Glock Certified Armorer | Utah CCW Instructor | Nevada CCW Instructor

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                    • #11
                      tbombaci
                      Member
                      • Mar 2011
                      • 187

                      I tested mine with a field gauge. I forget the name of the outfit that produced a series of YouTube videos (guy wears a tan polo shirt) but his was the most informative and easiest to follow.

                      I searched endlessly for the gauge and ended up ordering directly from Forster.
                      FSC CARDS - I am a DOJ Certified Instructor ** Renewal or new FSC. Don't wait in line at the gun store to take the test or renew, drop me a PM **

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                      • #12
                        negolien
                        Veteran Member
                        • Sep 2010
                        • 4829

                        DOH

                        Originally posted by ar15barrels
                        What method did you use to determine there was no need to check headspace?
                        I load em up make sure it seats correctly and shoot it.
                        "Men sleep peacefully in their beds at night because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf."

                        George Orwell

                        http://www.AnySoldier.com

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                        • #13
                          ar15barrels
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • Jan 2006
                          • 56947

                          Originally posted by negolien
                          I load em up make sure it seats correctly and shoot it.
                          So you don't ACTUALLY know if your gun is headspaced correctly or not...
                          Randall Rausch

                          AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
                          Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
                          Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
                          Barrel, sight and trigger work on most pistols and shotguns.
                          Most work performed while-you-wait.

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                          • #14
                            ar15barrels
                            I need a LIFE!!
                            • Jan 2006
                            • 56947

                            Originally posted by DFence
                            Key word in my quote is "should".
                            Our elected representatives SHOULD have our best interests in mind when they do their job.
                            Our elected president SHOULD defend and uphold the constitution.
                            How is that working out?
                            Randall Rausch

                            AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
                            Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
                            Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
                            Barrel, sight and trigger work on most pistols and shotguns.
                            Most work performed while-you-wait.

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