Define "PERMANENT" magazine mod.

[Germz]

Can someone post a link that defines this, or another thread? Can't seem to find what I'm looking for.

Certain (un-named) gun shops have said "oh yea you can just stuff the magwell with a block of wood or something" to be considered a permanent mod.

I asked how that is permanent and they said, in lesser words, that because the magazine is not specifically designed to be taken apart to that extent by a user, its considered permanent.

I have read elsewhere that, JUST TO BE SAFE, epoxy a plastic dowel to the underside of the follower. That's obviously permanent.

WHERE IS THE LINE DRAWN IN THIS SANDBOX OF INTERPRETATION?

[MrPlink]

No definition.
Tons of people will jump in saying "I do this " or "I think that"
Nobody is right or wrong here, but let the conjecture and speculation flow!

[valley82]

I am no expert nor lawyer...
It is legal to buy a high capacity magazine IF it is taken apart by the seller...it is considered a magazine rebuild kit. Exilemachine.com will sell you 30 round pmags (taken apart as rebuild kits)
Following this logic, if you stick the correct length block of some kind into the mag it becomes a 10/30 rnd mag, if you disassemble the mag to remove the block it becomes a legal mag rebuild kit, as long as you DO NOT assemble the mag it is legal...
That said Riflegear.com sells 10/20 and 10/30 pmags, they (or their supplier) drives a small metal pin through the floors plate and the magazine. The 10/20 pmags I own are all pinned this way as I prefer to play it safe.

[valley82]

Dang it plink....ya beat me...

[bohoki]

the way the law is written it seems to only apply to converting a large capacity magazine to a low capacity

but most people are actually taking parts and assembling a 10 round magazine with them since it wasnt a large capacity magazine to start with the permanance letter of the law doesnt logically apply

any definition someone gives is speculation but i say if you need to replace a part its pretty darn permanent like say of you chop a spring and install a block if you remove the block the follower will be too far down to function properly so that requires a new spring

tapco has a long finger on their floorplate retainer so in order to make it hold more it must be replaced

[captbilly]

Is there any legal precedent on this?

The only way to answer this question would be to look at what the courts have decided. If people have been successfully prosecuted for having a 30 round mag with only a block in it (limiting capacity to 10 rounds) then that is the law. If people have successfully defended using blocks to limit capacity then that is the law. Worst case scenario, as far as certainty is concerned, is if some people have been found guilty and some have not. Perhaps nobody has even been charged with a crime for blocked high capacity magazines, I suppose I would see that as a pretty good sign that law enforcement isn't interested.

[Enfield47]

Plink is right on the money. A basic principle I've seen here is that if a standard capacity mag is blocked to 10 rounds and the block is not easily removed (floor plate is epoxied shut) then that could be considered permanent. It's all in what you make of the law based on how it was written.

[Germz]

God damn laws.

Either way, my mags are more or less..good.
Good enough to take them to a range, where I've noticed most people haven't paid any mind. At least at my range.


I'll take my chances because...

[emptybottle151]

[dyson]

Found this thread

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=453098

Also see the point of emptyb's vid, you no longer have the stock baseplate with you, you can not use the mag without a baseplate. the block is the only means to utilize the mag

[Germz]

Yea I made my own insert for USGI mags. So I didnt remove anything from the equation but added a peice to it, in turn limiting the functionality to 10 rounds. Meets the same guidelines as the video I guess!

[Metal God]

What the hey I might as well jump in here

Seing how I've already showed my ignorance else where .

Nobody is right or wrong here, but let the conjecture and speculation flow!

The only way to answer this question would be to look at what the courts have decided. If people have been successfully prosecuted for having a 30 round mag with only a block in it (limiting capacity to 10 rounds) then that is the law. If people have successfully defended using blocks to limit capacity then that is the law. Worst case scenario, as far as certainty is concerned, is if some people have been found guilty and some have not. Perhaps nobody has even been charged with a crime for blocked high capacity magazines,

Is there any case law pertaining to this issue ? I think that would go a long way to putting to rest this debate .

[TheDigitalPicasso]

This video gives you I correct information. Just because you don't have the baseplate (the little gray thing) that does not mean you don't have a compleat magazine. If you remove the 10/20 blocker and place the floor plate back with the spring the magazine will still function as a 20rd magazine.

[TheDigitalPicasso]

This video gives you I correct information. Just because you don't have the baseplate (the little gray thing) that does not mean you don't have a compleat magazine. If you remove the 10/20 blocker and place the floor plate back with the spring the magazine will still function as a 20rd magazine. To be safe lasts have it pinned. Keep a few rebuild kits just in case if the zombies come or the Alians come to invade the US. If you need a few mags for the Range just keep 3-4 blocked mags and you're safe and good to go. Don't be the lab rat folks be safe than sorry.

[MrPlink]

Case law is hard here because remember possession of a magazine over 10rds is not illegal period (well, unless it's stolen).
So now the DA has to deal with two issues, if you see what I'm saying here.

Of course this gets even more complex when you put into context of the AWB. Ie, I have a maglocked AR, with a 10-30 mag in it. If it is argued that my magazine is not truly a 10rder but a 30 the issue becomes not one with the magazine, but rather the rifle.

Anybody confused yet?