mosin problem

[dwa]

i recentlly installed a scout scope on my mosin m38 then decided i didnt like it so i wanted to go back to the iron sight but im having a hell of a problem gettin the sight back in. i just knock out the pin on the rear sight apperacute and had one of the screw in mounts but now its near immposible to reinstall the iron sight because i have to line it up while putting preassure on the sight to push down the spring to get the holes lined up any ideas? thanks

[Mssr. Eleganté]

Do you have any punches that are the same diameter as the pin? You can get the holes lined up with the punch and then push the pin in from the other side, driving the punch out as it goes.

[Mike 56]

Hold the sight in place pushing down on the sight spring with a c-clamp or quick clamp then tap the pin in.

Mike

[dwa]

theres a piece of metal that goes under the sight itself that acts as a spring the problem i was having is u have to put alot of presure on it to get the holes to line up. i tryed using a clamp to apply the pressure but it didnt work out i was wondering if anyone knew a trick to get it back in

[Fate]

Get another set of hands to help.

[dwa]

well i got it just took more patience than i had before

[dwa]

another qestion though

im not familiar with bolt action rifles the mosin is my first i am not a newb to marksmanship though and somethng about the chamber looks very odd. i didnt think to look when i puchased it the inside of the chamber on the right side recesses. from about the 12 oclock to the six oclock is about 2-3 mm deeper than the opsite side of the chamber it looks every odd. i can get a decent group at 25m but when i push out to 100m im still on the paper but the shot group disapears and i just scatterrounds all over the target. so what could be the problem

[Mssr. Eleganté]

...somethng about the chamber looks very odd. i didnt think to look when i puchased it the inside of the chamber on the right side recesses. from about the 12 oclock to the six oclock is about 2-3 mm deeper than the opsite side of the chamber it looks every odd.

Are you sure it is inside the chamber? What you describe sounds like the extractor cut out, which is just outside of the chamber on the right side from about 12:30 to 5:00. Look at the extractor on the bolt face. Does the recess you are talking about line up with where the extractor would be when the bolt is closed and then locked?

i can get a decent group at 25m but when i push out to 100m im still on the paper but the shot group disapears and i just scatterrounds all over the target. so what could be the problem

That's a well known problem. It's called "Mosin-Nagant".

[dwa]

yes i belive thats wat it is thanks i was mildy worried something was horibly wrong but that makes pefect sense but is that a common thing for mosins to group the a spraybottle on mist setting?

[Mssr. Eleganté]

...but is that a common thing for mosins to group the a spraybottle on mist setting?

It's funny you should say that. Mosin-Nagant when translated into English actually means "spray-mist".

But seriously, what kind of ammo are you using? Mosin-Nagants can be almost as ammo sensitive as .22LR's. You might need to test a few varieties of surplus ammo to see what your rifle likes. How is the bore? How is the muzzle/crown?

Sometimes we need to just accept that these are 70 year old rifles built by communist slaves during the greatest war the planet has ever seen. QC might have suffered or age may have taken its toll.

You can always buy another one for $89 and take your chances again.

[duenor]

Try a Finn M39. Those were built by real armourers and gunsmiths. Each is as much a work of fine craftsmanship as any other, and far and above what the Soviet guns could ever offer.

As for the rear sight, use a c-clamp. take the stock off first or you will wreck it. shave the clamping piece down if you have to to get it to fit.

ps: if you own a business or can provide a service, please go to this thread (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...ad.php?t=97200) and add your info to the list that i'm compiling.

[dwa]

i looks to be in fairly good shape i had some bulgarian surplus maybe ill try hungarian or cezch or something next time

[Wyatt]

It's funny you should say that. Mosin-Nagant when translated into English actually means "spay-mist".

Joking right? Mosin and Nagant are names

As far as accuracy check the bore and crown for wear. Are you shooting from a bench?

[dwa]

ya i was i dont know if the scope was crap but i dont think it would matter only at 100 yards, i get 3in group at 25m but when i push it out no group at all or should i say the whole target is the group it seems as if there reandomly scatter across the target im goona try the irons to eliminate the scope as the culpriate plus i dont really like it. im like maybe the ammo would be he likely culpriate it was milsurp i think bulgarian if i rember right. so when im done with the tin im going try something else. another question though i was searchin the net to see how to adjust the windiage on the m38 and it says your supposed to move it with a hammer and punch, that doesnt relly sound like a good idea to me but im not an expert.

PS it was really windy would that affect anything at only 100m?

[Wyatt]

yup, use a brass punch. No doubt the combo of the scope moving and the aurplus ammo are causing the problem if the bore is bright and the crown without defect.
I don't think I'd ever say a Mosin, expecially the carbines are tack drivers but 4" at 100 yards is doable with good surplus.