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  • John Moon
    Banned
    • Dec 2012
    • 117

    Does an autoloader make a good defensive

    rifle while in the wilderness or in camp in case predators (lions, cougars, wolves, black bears, tigers or leopards) attack unprovoked?

    Isn't .30-06 the largest practical caliber for an autoloading rifle carried in the African bush (or other rural areas of the world) for personal security against charging animals with teeth and claws? I have learned that Namibia (dunno about other African nations) permits autoloading rifles for hunting as long as they don't look "assault-weapon-like".

    Autoloading means the gun can be fired repeatedly fast as a charging lion can come at you close to 50 MPH and often it may take two or more rounds (even in .375 only available in bolt action guns as far as I know) to put him down before he can get a hold of you! Shooting an quick attacking animal can be a hurried race for survival (for both the shooter and the animal) whereby split seconds count.

    I have learned that Browning makes or has made an autoloader chambered in .300 Win. Mag or even .338 but wouldn't this rifle be too heavy or cumbersome to carry a lot? I think the .338 is the biggest chambering for any sporting autoloading rifle on the market today.

    Bolt actions are available in heavy calibers but are also slow to shoot a number of times considering attacking animals can move at you at automobile speeds!

    I did find this here http://www.chuckhawks.com/rifles_dangerous_game.htm and I quote:

    "Autoloading rifles are the fastest of all repeaters for second and subsequent shots. They are easy to scope. Gas operation definitely reduces the effects of recoil, an important consideration given the powerful cartridges recommended for hunting dangerous game. The best examples are almost as reliable as the better manually operated actions. If properly cared for, reliability should not be a problem. They can also be very accurate, roughly on a par with bolt action and single shot rifles for big game hunting purposes.

    The biggest problem with autoloaders is that, with one popular exception, they are not chambered for the sort of powerful magnum cartridges generally regarded as the best medicine for dangerous game. The exception is the Browning BAR Mk. II Safari, which can be had in .300 Winchester Magnum and .338 Winchester Magnum. This makes the BAR Safari a viable choice for hunting any of the world's great predators. In .338 Magnum caliber it is also suitable for all of the world's bovines (where legal). A .338 Win. Mag. BAR may be the best of all possible worlds for stopping an angry predator."
    Last edited by John Moon; 03-15-2013, 1:57 PM.
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    Divernhunter
    Calguns Addict
    • May 2010
    • 8753

    The BAR is a nice weapon but it is heavy.
    A 30cal will reach out and touch them. A 50cal will kick their butt.
    NRA Life Member, NRA certified RSO & Basic Pistol Instructor, Hunter, shooter, reloader
    SCI, Manteca Sportsmen Club, Coalinga Rifle Club, Escalon Sportsmans Club, Waterford Sportsman Club & NAHA Member, Madison Society member

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    • #3
      John Moon
      Banned
      • Dec 2012
      • 117

      How does the SPORTING BAR compare

      Originally posted by Divernhunter
      The BAR is a nice weapon but it is heavy.
      in heft to let's say, a .375 bolt-action gun? Does a Browning BAR Safari II in .338 Win. Mag.
      carry any harder than a .375 Holland & Holland?

      Heaviness, however will tame kick along with BAR gas operation.


      I was talking about the civilian "BAR".




      The ad says this Browning weighs 8 pounds, 6 oz.

      And has the BOSS system to help tame kick further.


      And there is that ugly word WEAPON again, but I guess if it is a tool to battle angry lions...
      Last edited by John Moon; 03-15-2013, 7:04 PM.

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      • #4
        Full Clip
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Dec 2006
        • 10266

        The Benelli R1 is avail in .338 Win Mag

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        • #5
          John Moon
          Banned
          • Dec 2012
          • 117

          Is Benelli a better gun than Browning

          Originally posted by Full Clip
          BAR Safari/Mark II?

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          • #6
            elSquid
            In Memoriam
            • Aug 2007
            • 11844

            Originally posted by John Moon
            Isn't .30-06 the largest practical caliber for an autoloading rifle...




            -- Michael

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            • #7
              Saym14
              Calguns Addict
              • Jul 2009
              • 7892

              no- a double barrel shot gun is the best - just shoot it in the air. ask uncle joe

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              • #8
                sigstroker
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Jan 2009
                • 19859

                Originally posted by elSquid




                -- Michael
                What he said. They are probably not legal to hunt with, but if I were able, I'd have an autoloading shotgun with slugs or maybe buckshot depending on what critter I was worried about.

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                • #9
                  John Moon
                  Banned
                  • Dec 2012
                  • 117

                  Worried about lions....

                  Originally posted by sigstroker
                  What he said. They are probably not legal to hunt with, but if I were able, I'd have an autoloading shotgun with slugs or maybe buckshot depending on what critter I was worried about.

                  again, yes, in Namibia, autoloader OK for hunting.


                  Will an autoloading shotgun with slugs stop a charging lion?

                  I think perhaps I should take advice from professional gunwriters on
                  the matter of bad critters, hunting, guns and loads.

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                  • #10
                    elSquid
                    In Memoriam
                    • Aug 2007
                    • 11844

                    Originally posted by John Moon
                    again, yes, in Namibia, autoloader OK for hunting.

                    Will an autoloading shotgun with slugs stop a charging lion?
                    Shotguns loaded with Brennekes are popular anti-bear guns here in N. America.

                    Would they work against a lion? Are lions that much tougher than big bears? I can't imagine so, but I don't know.


                    Originally posted by John Moon
                    I think perhaps I should take advice from professional gunwriters on
                    the matter of bad critters, hunting, guns and loads.
                    Nah, better to take advice from professional hunters. I can't speak to what African PHs think of 12 gauge shotguns - or autoloaders in general - but the double rifle seems to be a classic choice.

                    I'd be happy to have a double rifle...if I could afford one...



                    -- Michael

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