How much time left?

[mmrx2]

Just buy a few lowers.

[ar15barrels]

I see your two weeks and raise you one month.

I'm sticking with 2 weeks.

[JDay]

Are you over 21? If not you cannot buy just the lower.

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[Norcalkid]

If you are worried and don't have the money for the gun just go out and buy a lower. Then build when you get a better job.

[lilro]

I think building my own would make more sense, as purchasing a lower would put me in a position to build as my finances see fit. Now it's just a matter of finding a lower to fit my needs. I'll be looking online for stripped lowers.

As long as it's a brand you've heard of (ask us if you're not sure), and it's not polymer, you should be good to go. They are all essentially the same. The BCG is where the big money should be focused.

[InfamousLegend]

Since lowers are cheap I'm considering an AR10 lower as well. Once funds provide the means I'll focus on the AR15 lower and then the AR10 lower when I can find one. I've always been a huge fan of the .308 and that's what is driving me to also get an AR10 lower. I'm going to take it a step at a time, and my truck is demanding all my $$$ right now, but it is what it is.

I'll ask everyone here their opinions on parts for the future.

I already have my eyes set on a Timney trigger for both AR's and Noveske barrels. Beyond that I don't have much in the way of plans. I will probably keep the AR15 with good peep sights and the AR10 scoped.

If you look at the DDM4V5 and remove the forward grip but add permant iron sights and a grip that goes around the magwell, that is pretty much what I want for the AR15. Nothing special and very sleek, I don't need a bunch of addons.

Something aking to this:


My brother has one on his AR15 and it is very comfortable for me, where forward grips didn't do the trick.

[Lone_Gunman]

Buy a Garand, if it was good enough to kill Nazis it will be just fine for your needs.

[iron cannon]

Buy a Garand, if it was good enough to kill Nazis it will be just fine for your needs.

Those look nice , what grade are they?
Hows the availability of 30-06 now?

[Lone_Gunman]

Those look nice , what grade are they?
Hows the availability of 30-06 now?

Those are both service grade HRAs. You can get Greek surplus .30-06 through the CMP $98/200 rounds. You're limited to 2000 rounds (10 cans) per year though. I got those HRAs from the CMP last week, 60 days from the time I mailed my order to the time FedEx dropped them off at my door. One is for my dad for his 65th birthday, one for my son. I'm currently waiting on an HRA Service Grade Special for myself. It's been 22 days since I sent that order off.

[calnhob]

Buy a Garand, if it was good enough to kill Nazis it will be just fine for your needs.

Nice Garands! I've been wanting to get one. Pardon the ignorance but what is CMP and how much were they (can't see the tag in the pic)?

[Lone_Gunman]

Nice Garands! I've been wanting to get one. Pardon the ignorance but what is CMP and how much were they (can't see the tag in the pic)?

$650 delivered to your door.

Read this thread: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=667911

It should answer most, if not all of your questions.

http://www.odcmp.com/

Quoted from the CMP: (more info can be found here) http://www.odcmp.com/about_us.htm

" The Civilian Marksmanship Program (CMP) is a national organization dedicated to training and educating U. S. citizens in responsible uses of firearms and airguns through gun safety training, marksmanship training and competitions. The CMP is a federally chartered 501 (c) (3) corporation that places its highest priority on serving youth through gun safety and marksmanship activities that encourage personal growth and build life skills. Links on this page will lead you to more detailed information about the CMP and its programs.

HISTORY OF THE CMP. CMP history goes back to late 19th century efforts by U.S. military and political leaders to strengthen our country’s national defense capabilities by improving the rifle marksmanship skills of members of the Armed Forces. The CMP traces its direct lineage to 1903 when Congress and President Theodore Roosevelt established the National Board for the Promotion of Rifle Practice (NBPRP) and the National Matches. From then until 1996, first the Department of War and later the Department of the Army managed the program that became known as the “civilian marksmanship program. During this period, program objectives shifted from military marksmanship to training civilians who might serve in the military to developing youth through marksmanship training. In 1996, Congress acted again to establish the Corporation for the Promotion of Rifle Practice and Firearm Safety that now governs the CMP.

CMP RIFLE SALES. The federal law that established the CMP authorizes it to sell surplus military .22 rimfire and .30 cal. rifles and ammunition to qualified U. S. citizens who are members of gun clubs affiliated with the CMP. All purchasers must provide proof of having received gun safety or marksmanship training and pass an FBI NICS check. The principal rifles sold through this program have been WWII era M1 Garand rifles and WWI era M1903 rifles. The law mandates that proceeds from these sales may be used only to support the Civilian Marksmanship Program. Each year since its establishment in 1996, the CMP has produced an excess of revenues over expenses to fund its firearm safety, marksmanship training and competition programs and an endowment that will support future programs. "

Also be sure to check out there sales Pages. http://www.thecmp.org/ They Sell M1 Carbines, M1 Garands, 1903's .22 rifles. Basically any surplus US military rifle. They also auction off rifles: http://auction.odcmp.com/auctions/index.asp They also sale surplus and commercial ammo: http://www.thecmp.org/ammosales.htm



To qualify for the CMP its really easy.

Eligibility requirements: http://www.thecmp.org/eligibility.htm

" Proof of U.S. Citizenship:
You must provide a copy of a U.S. birth certificate, passport, proof of naturalization, or any official government document that shows birth in the U.S. or states citizenship as U.S.

Proof of Age:
You must provide proof of age. Usually proof of citizenship also provides proof of age. In those cases where it may not, a driver’s license is sufficient.

Membership in CMP Affiliated Organization:
You must provide a copy of your current membership card or other proof of membership. This requirement cannot be waived. The CMP currently has over 2,000 affiliated organizations located in many parts of the country.

Membership in many of these organizations costs $25.00 or less and can be accomplished online. A listing of affiliated organizations can be found by clicking on our Club Search web page at http://clubs.odcmp.com/cgi-bin/clubSearch.cgi. If you have any difficulty in locating a club, please contact the CMP at 256-835-8455 or by emailing CMP Customer Service. We will find one for you. In addition to shooting clubs, the CMP also has several special affiliates. Membership in these organizations satisfies our requirement for purchase. These special affiliates include: Congressionally chartered veterans' organizations such as the VFW, AL, DAV, MCL, etc. U.S. Military services (active or reserves), National Guard, to include retirees. Professional 501(c)3 law enforcement organizations and associations such as the FOP, NAPO, NSA, etc.

Note: Club membership IS required for purchase of rifles, parts, and ammunition.

Find a qualifying club near you! http://clubs.odcmp.com/cgi-bin/clubSearch.cgi

Club membership is NOT required for instructional publications or videos or CMP memorabilia.

Marksmanship or other Firearms Related Activity:
You must provide proof of participation in a marksmanship related activity or otherwise show familiarity with the safe handling of firearms and range procedures. Your marksmanship related activity does not have to be with highpower rifles; it can be with smallbore rifles, pistols, air guns or shotguns. Proof of marksmanship participation can be provided by documenting any of the following:

- Current or past military service.
- Current or past law enforcement service
- Participation in a rifle, pistol, air gun or shotgun competition (provide copy of results bulletin).
- Completion of a marksmanship clinic that included live fire training (provide a copy of the certificate of completion or a statement from the instructor).
- Distinguished, Instructor, or Coach status.
- Concealed Carry License.
- Firearms Owner Identification Cards that included live fire training.
- FFL or C&R license.
- Completion of a Hunter Safety Course that included live fire training.
- Certification from range or club official or law enforcement officer witnessing shooting activity. A form for use in completing and certifying your range firing can be downloaded from the CMP web site at http://www.odcmp.com/forms/marksmanship.pdf

No proof of marksmanship required if over age 60. proof of club membership and citizenship required for all ages.
NOTE: Proof of marksmanship activity is not required for purchase of ammunition, parts, publications or memorabilia.

Be Legally Eligible to Purchase a Firearm:
The information you supply on your application will be submitted by the CMP to the FBI National Instant Criminal Check System (NICS) to verify you are not prohibited by Federal, State or Local law from acquiring or possessing a rifle. Your signature on the Purchaser Certification portion of the purchase application authorizes the CMP to initiate the NICS check and authorizes the FBI to inform CMP of the result. IMPORTANT: If your State or locality requires you to first obtain a license, permit, or Firearms Owner ID card in order to possess or receive a rifle, you must enclose a photocopy of your license, permit, or card with the application for purchase.

Order Form and Purchaser Certification and Agreement:
Order forms and other required documents may be downloaded from http://www.odcmp.com/Forms/1orderform.pdf. For those customers who receive our hard-copy catalog, we recommend they make several copies of the blank form for use in placing future orders. Customers should complete both the Order Form and the Purchaser Certification and Agreement and sign it before a notary. Orders received without notarized signature will not be processed.

Repeat Customers:
In the summer of 2003, the CMP revised the purchase forms and streamlined procedures for repeat customers. If you complete a new Universal Purchaser Certification and Agreement to buy a rifle from the CMP, signed before a Notary Public on or after July 1, 2003, you may for a period of three (3) years thereafter submit an application to purchase additional rifles, parts or ammunition without having the Purchaser Certification and Agreement notarized - provided that the “SHIP TO” address on the order form remains exactly the same.

Although for repeat orders you will not have to have the forms notarized, hard copy liability/order/certification forms – pages 1a,2a,and 3a – must still be completed and sent to the CMP with original (wet) signatures. These orders may not be faxed or emailed.

After three years a new notarized Universal Purchaser Certification and Agreement will be required for any additional rifle purchase. Any change of address on the order form automatically will require a new notarized Universal Purchaser Certification and Agreement.

Please note that this streamlined procedure is available only to customers who have completed a notarized “Universal” Purchaser Certification and Agreement. An application submitted on an earlier form (dated before summer 2003) will still be processed by CMP, but for that transaction only; it will not be accepted for repeat sales.

Proof of citizenship, age, CMP-affiliated club membership and competitive shooting participation, and any copy of any license, permit, or Firearms Owner ID card required by your State or locality submitted with your initial “Universal” application will be kept on file by the CMP. If any item of proof above has expired, you must submit proof of current status with any subsequent application. "



The sales forms are at the top of the page: http://www.thecmp.org/formsindex.htm

Need any help or have any other questions please feel free to ask.

Also the CMP forums: http://forums.thecmp.org/


Edit: Orest, the CEO of the CMP has stated that the CA Handgus Saftey Cert, or HSC card qualifies as "marksmanship activity" as well so it's REALLY easy to qualify.

[InfamousLegend]

An M1 Garand is one of the rifles I will purchase before I die, trust me, but an AR is in my sights first, even if it's just the stripped lowers for the time being. On top of the M1 Garand, a MkIII Browning Hi–Power and a .45ACP 1911 are in my sights.

I've only collected one "grail" gun so far, and that would be a S&W Model Pre–27 .357Mag, and for being made in 1953 she is a solid revolver. If I had $5,000 right now most of those would be in my possession right now including one completed AR.

[calnhob]

Thanks Lone_gunman...this will be my read before going to sleep (no joke).

[fmunk]

First, it's spelled climate. Second, lowers are cheap? nothing is cheap right now.

[InfamousLegend]

First, it's spelled climate. Second, lowers are cheap? nothing is cheap right now.

MSRP isn't all that bad is what I meant, what you actually pay is different, but if you find one for MSRP you're not doing to bad.

Edit: I'm usually pretty anal about my own spelling, but typing on a phone is difficult enough that a few typos will get through, and I usually fix them when I do find them.