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  • #16
    NeoWeird
    Veteran Member
    • Dec 2005
    • 3342

    There are several reasons regular joes can own M16 FCG. Repairing exisiting FA weapons, making dealer samples, etc. Now owning the FCG and an AR-15 is asking for trouble unless you have proper permits. I've heard stories of people getting in trouble (don't remember how much trouble) for having spare M16 parts to repair/replace worn parts on their legal FA guns when they have seperate AR-15s as well.

    As for the Ruger being converted to FA, some methods are simple and some are very complicated. The norrels actually uses a modified hammer, trigger and bolt. The trigger packs gets slightly modified and a spring loaded detent is added to the bolt. A trip is milled into the bolt and an autosear placed into the trigger pack. I believe the Norrel's group doesn't modify the receiver. There are at least four other FA mods that I know about for the Ruger 10/22. One is an open bolt and uses a special humped sear and trigger pack inards. Another uses a lever on the side of the receiver (this sounds like the one mentioned earlier). Another uses a selector lever on the side of the trigger and is essentially very similar to the Norrel's but the lever adjust sear engagment to force the sear to stop on semi-auto or trip for full-auto.

    I remember reading part of a gun designing book once, and the author made an interesting statement. Making a firearm go full auto is VERY easy, in fact, most FA FCGs are more simple than their semi-auto FCG (due to lack of a disconnect and other essential semi-auto parts). The hardest task in designing a FA weapon is making on that can be easily controled, especially if you want select fire capabilities. It's quite true. Look at the PPSH; it's a trigger with a 90 degree bend and a straight bar as a sear with a hole on each end. That's it. Pull the trigger, the bend pulls the sear down out of the way of the bolt, the bolt flys home under spring tension, fixed firing pin sets off round, bolt cycles to the rear and continues. When the trigger is released the sear gets pushed back up and catches the bolt's forward travel. A trigger, a sear, a bolt, and three springs. The same design but semi-auto would require about 5 parts and several specialty springs.
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    • #17
      Toolbox X
      Veteran Member
      • Jan 2005
      • 2602

      It's loud because he's shooting supersonic ammo.

      As the bullet breaks the sound barrier it makes a loud crack. If you want quiet supression you need to shoot subsonic ammo.

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      • #18
        AJAX22
        I need a LIFE!!
        • May 2006
        • 14980

        I still say the American 180 is way cooler



        And I have one

        although mine is just the CA legal semi auto version

        Still... 275 rounds of .22LR is nothing to sneeze at
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        • #19
          zcktomcat
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          • Feb 2008
          • 215

          Not all sound suppressors are made to work at full auto.
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          • #20
            ar15barrels
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Jan 2006
            • 56937

            Originally posted by wilit
            Ok, WTF? Why was the suppressed rifle way louder than the unsuppressed one?
            The louder un-suppressed gun causes the camera to cut the audio level down.
            Notice how dull sounding the first video is compared to the suppressed video?
            The crispness of the suppressed video is the extra dynamic range allowed by the quieter gun.
            Randall Rausch

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            • #21
              ar15barrels
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Jan 2006
              • 56937

              Originally posted by M. Sage
              ... is the can playing havoc with the blowback?
              Looks like a hell of a lot of fire coming back out the breech of the suppressed one.
              Might be causing more pressure in the barrel somehow...?
              Yes.
              It's called blowback.
              Suppressors do that, especially on blowback operated guns.

              Also note the increase in cyclic rate of the suppressed gun.
              Randall Rausch

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              • #22
                ar15barrels
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Jan 2006
                • 56937

                Originally posted by King$nake
                How the hell do they convert a Ruger to full auto? thats crazy
                Before 1986, you just paid the $200 tax, sent in your form 1 and waited for it to come back.
                Randall Rausch

                AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
                Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
                Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
                Barrel, sight and trigger work on most pistols and shotguns.
                Most work performed while-you-wait.

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                • #23
                  Jack_Bauer
                  Senior Member
                  • Jan 2006
                  • 534

                  Also worth mentioning is that the camera's mic adjusts to the noise and mics will vary from camera to camera. So if someone says "that youtube video of a supressed M1A with subsonic ammo is louder than my 50BMG!" it could be the camera's fault and not the gun's.

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                  • #24
                    brando
                    Veteran Member
                    • Feb 2006
                    • 3694

                    A suppressed .22LR sounds like just the hammer dropping when firing subsonic ammo.
                    --Brando

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                    • #25
                      NeoWeird
                      Veteran Member
                      • Dec 2005
                      • 3342

                      Originally posted by zcktomcat
                      Not all sound suppressors are made to work at full auto.
                      Most suppressors that are not FA rated are because they are too weak to support the pressure of the subsequent rounds. The pressure in the can doens't have time to drop before the subsequent round enters, and as such the pressure starts to increase more so than a single shot. This can cause the suppressor to buldge or essentially pop and blow to pieces (usually the walls buldge to the point that the threaded end caps get blown off and the internals get shot down range usually destroying the can with it).

                      Some however just don't suppress very well as the can is designed to handle a certain ammount of gas pressure and capacity. As subsequent rounds go into the can without the pressure droping, the suppression suffers. They still suppress the sound, just not nearly as effectively. Also, if this was the case, the first few rounds would sound suppressed and it would gradually top off as it went on. This doesn't happen though so you know it's not the case.

                      Besides, I am pretty sure the Tac 65 IS FA rated.
                      quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est. - Lucius Annaeus
                      a sword never kills anybody; it's a tool in the killer's hand.

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