"approved" fixed mag?

[TMC]

Am I slow or did I miss the memo about the States approval for fixed magazine attachment methods?

I though the law read (paraphrased) "a fixed magazine is one that requires a tool to remove".

I have read allot of post and heard many folks at the ranges talk about "DOJ approved methods". Is it just noise?

Thanks

BTW, I tried searching and couldn't narrow it down enough to find a decent answer in my life time.

[C.G.]

I am a little lost about what exactly you are asking, but if I understand you correctly, there is no state approved fixed magazine attachment memo. If it fits the definition you quoted, you should be fine.

[TMC]

I am a little lost about what exactly you are asking, but if I understand you correctly, there is no state approved fixed magazine attachment memo. If it fits the definition you quoted, you should be fine.

That's pretty much it. My question came from posts that say the Sporting Converions kit, among other, does not qualify because it's not approved. There are other posts discussing pinning magazines and other methods to make them non-detachable. So my question was basically, who approves or disapproves of the various methods?

Thanks for the input.

[C.G.]

That's pretty much it. My question came from posts that say the Sporting Converions kit, among other, does not qualify because it's not approved. There are other posts discussing pinning magazines and other methods to make them non-detachable. So my question was basically, who approves or disapproves of the various methods?

Thanks for the input.

No one. Again, if they comply with what you quoted earlier you should be fine. You can also submit a sample to the DOJ but be prepared you will not see your rifle for some time.

[tenpercentfirearms]

The DOJ has not approved a method. A rumor was started that the DOJ was going to prosecute the first person they found using the fixed mag kit. However, nothing has been published in writing that the Sporting Conversions Fixed Mag Kit does not meet the requirements as set in their publication here. So they are claiming they will prosecute for something that they clearly said is legal. Nothing has been given in writing and we have heard zero stories of anyone being prosecuted for using this kit.

So, use the Sporting Conversions Kit at your own risk. It should be legal, but do you want to be the test case? I live in Kern County so I am not too worried about my local DA going after me.

[kantstudien]

Well, we know what is DOJ unapproved, so we can start from there.

[C.G.]

Actually there is a CA DOJ approved method for fixing a 10 rd mag that protrudes from the magazine well of an AR-15 style receiver.

You guys are forgetting the method approved and used by Vulcan/Hesse to fix the mags in their CA legal V-15 lowers.

The PDF of DOJ repsonses to submitted inquiries at www.calgunlaws.com addresses the V-15, which is Vulcan/Hesse's model designation, on page 5--dated April 20, 2005.

http://calgunlaws.com/Docs/ASSAULT%20WEAPONS/Articles/0120133539%20AW%20DOJ%20LTRS.pdf

From MULTIPLE discussions on this board, we know that the method involves installation of a pin behind the magazine catch AND epoxying the magazine into the mag well.

You are correct Ted, technically. I think he was wondering about the screw method.

[TMC]

Thanks for the info folks and the link to the SB23 page. My question was regarding any form of attachment and the discussions about "approval". It sounds like the DOJ is just trying to scare people into not building up the lowers.

The law says a cartridge is a tool so technically if some one found a way to make a spring loaded release that could only be actuated only by the tip of the bullet or say a screwdriver that would be considered a non-detachable magazine.

[artherd]

The DOJ has not approved a method. A rumor was started that the DOJ was going to prosecute the first person they found using the fixed mag kit.

Yep, and I promptly posted a pic of my conversion, and my address Nothing has resulted as predicted.

Thousands of FAL CLONESs have been imported into the state in essentially this same configuration (screw-retention 10 round fixed magazine) also with no action, over many many years, in prominent display at gunshows which DOJ frequents for compliance inspection purposes.

I stipulate:
1) They know of this method of affixing a magazine to an otherwise legal long-rifle.
2) They know it is legal.
3) They have taken no past action in 4+ years.
4) They will take no future action, or if they do, they will be met with heavy and successful legal challenge, and possibly civil penalty.