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  • Deadred7o7
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2007
    • 620

    M4???

    What is the difference between the M4 and the standard rifle?
    this is what I'm looking




    Is it just the M4 has the better feed ramps?
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    Deadred7o7
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2007
    • 620

    So its just shorter, is it because of the stock or will my Stag lower not work for this config. ?
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    • #3
      Deadred7o7
      Senior Member
      • Dec 2007
      • 620

      Thanks for the info
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      • #4
        J_Rock
        Senior Member
        • Sep 2007
        • 2097

        Basically any 14.5",14.7" or 16" gov't profile barrel with a m203 notch in it with a collapsible stock

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        • #5
          aplinker
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Feb 2007
          • 16762

          Not exactly. The M4 is a specific build, by Colt.

          There are pseudo-M4's aka M4gerys.

          Look at the pics in the .223 photo gallery to get an idea of what can be built.

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          • #6
            Army
            Veteran Member
            • Oct 2005
            • 3915

            True M4 will have an illegal to own by most civilians length barrel. You can mount a true M4 barrel, as long as you also permanently install an extra long compensator to make the assembly 16+ inches long (measured from the in-battery bolt face forward)
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            • #7
              Deadred7o7
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2007
              • 620

              But if you look at the link they are selling both with 16' barrels why is the M4 more $ ??/
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              • #8
                aplinker
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Feb 2007
                • 16762

                Why are you shopping at Del Ton?

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                • #9
                  Hopi
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 7700

                  Here is a CA-compliant "M4", aka "M4gery"

                  -14.5" barrel with permanent compensator to bring it over 16".
                  -M4 handguards
                  -M4 stock (post-ban, permanently fixed)

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                  • #10
                    Deadred7o7
                    Senior Member
                    • Dec 2007
                    • 620

                    Originally posted by uclaplinker
                    Why are you shopping at Del Ton?
                    Its in my budget, Im looking at Model 1 sales also. If anyone can suggest other sites with rifle kits, I would like to stay under $600 for every thing but the lower. I like the idea of getting it all in one shot but I'm up for new ideas.

                    any input will help this newbee
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                    • #11
                      drifts1
                      Senior Member
                      • Feb 2007
                      • 1443

                      AR15sales.com has a Stag kit for $633 I believe, its a little more than the $600 you wanted to stay under but well worth the upgrade in quality. Since he cant ship you the 30rd. mag that comes with the kit maybe Pete will discount the price some.

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                      • #12
                        CombatMP
                        Senior Member
                        • Mar 2008
                        • 757

                        Originally posted by Hopi
                        Here is a CA-compliant "M4", aka "M4gery"

                        -14.5" barrel with permanent compensator to bring it over 16".
                        -M4 handguards
                        -M4 stock (post-ban, permanently fixed)

                        That's very nice, Thanks for sharing
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                        • #13
                          edittman1
                          Senior Member
                          • Jan 2006
                          • 535

                          Originally posted by drifts1
                          AR15sales.com has a Stag kit for $633 I believe, its a little more than the $600 you wanted to stay under but well worth the upgrade in quality. Since he cant ship you the 30rd. mag that comes with the kit maybe Pete will discount the price some.
                          I purchased this same kit and am *extremely* pleased with the kit. Best deal in town for a first AR build!

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                          • #14
                            shark92651
                            Vendor/Retailer
                            • Oct 2006
                            • 5431

                            Originally posted by Deadred7o7
                            What is the difference between the M4 and the standard rifle?
                            this is what I'm looking




                            Is it just the M4 has the better feed ramps?
                            Those Del-Ton kits seem a bit confusing to me. The two you are talking about look to have identical 16" barrels and uppers, yet the "M4" is pictured with no rear sight, yet is $10 more than the identical configured kit shown pictured with a detachable carry handle. Looking at the default configuration of the two kits I don't see any obvious differences. Add in the extra for chrome lined barrel and a rear sight and it's not looking all that good anymore.

                            My price on a Stag 2H upper (chrome lined and MI rear sight), LPK, and Tactical stock is around $632 + tax. If you buy from me you will have it in a couple days instead of a couple weeks
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                            • #15
                              docsmileyface
                              Senior Member
                              • Jan 2006
                              • 1644

                              http://jtdistributing.net/store/kits_car.html has some OK deals on kits, not sure on the quality though, let you know on Wednesday when my girlfriend's upper comes in. It was like $324 shipped (less bolt group, with rail block instead of FSB) which is a pretty decent price, I think only Vulcan/AKPartskits can beat that for an upper.
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