AR Assembly question

[xrMike]

I sat down tonight with newly-acquired HS lower, RRA lower parts kit, RRA 2-stage trigger, and A2 stock, and I browse to to ARFcom and read up on how to do the lower receiver assembly. I get all my parts figured out. I get ready to put the mag catch/spring/button into the receiver, and try to screw the button onto the catch first, just to make sure it threads on correctly. But it doesn't.

I tried several times, very gently, to get the button to screw onto the catch, but it won't go on more than 1 or 2 turns before it hangs up. If I try any harder I'm sure it will bugger the threads. I've tried the button from both sides (flat and serrated) and it's the same -- won't go on.

Any idea what the problem is? It's like one is course thread and the other is fine or something... Should the button spin easily onto the catch, or is supposed to be really really tight like this? Thanks for any advice.

[Josh]

should screw on easily.

Could be impropery threaded, call the vendor you bought the parts from.

[MaxQ]

If you look closely at the threads, do they look okay? Use a magnifying glass if necessary. Also, if you put the threaded portion between your index finger and thumbnail (if it isn't too short) with your nail in the threads, and spin the catch with your other hand, you can often feel if the threads are messed up, there are burrs, etc.

Or, go to the hardware store and try a 10-32 nut. If that works, try to thread a 10-32 bolt into the mag catch button. The button threads may need to be chased a little. Either the catch or the bolt could have been incorrectly threaded.

[Santa Cruz Armory]

Mag release

Enquiring minds want to know~

The bigger question is are you building this as a fixed mag rifle or are you building a "evilless" weapon? If you going with a fixed mag version and this is a new off list lower, be careful.... The last thing we all want is one of us getting in trouble for not knowing the rules.

If I'm outta line, sorry.

Post pics when you're completed, we'd love to see your project.

[ohsmily]

Enquiring minds want to know~

The bigger question is are you building this as a fixed mag rifle or are you building a "evilless" weapon? If you going with a fixed mag version and this is a new off list lower, be careful.... The last thing we all want is one of us getting in trouble for not knowing the rules.

If I'm outta line, sorry.

Post pics when you're completed, we'd love to see your project.

What makes you think he doesn't know what he is doing regarding legality various of configurations. He is just having problems with chewed up threads on a part...He didn't say anything about not knowing what the proper configuration was...you aren't out of line, you are just extraneous (and otherwise useless) in this situation for bringing it up.

[Builder]

Hi xrmike,
RRA lower parts kit; great reputation, should be ok. The button won't fit on the mag catch....
In or out of the receiver? I seem to remember the first time I put one together, I put the mag catch in the receiver, put the spring in the other side, and then tried to spin on the button. Wouldn't go on. Humm. Dooh!
Put spring in, put button in, push button in, way in, then spin mag catch in from other side.
But that was me,
Builder

[Santa Cruz Armory]

Chill! my over zealous fellow forum member!

What makes you think he doesn't know what he is doing regarding legality various of configurations. He is just having problems with chewed up threads on a part...He didn't say anything about not knowing what the proper configuration was...you aren't out of line, you are just extraneous (and otherwise useless) in this situation for bringing it up.

Nothing made me think he didn't know what he was doing. I was just simply asking a question and reminding him and other people (via his post) that there are rules to follow regarding these build ups and that I don't want to see anyone get into hot water.

There are many people that read these posts and gather info from them (myself included) and this was one of those instances where I felt the need to ask a question.

If I wanted to comment on the threads of the mag button I would have done so, but that had already been done by previous posters. I didn't think I needed to beat that horse as there are only a few reasons that his mag button wouldn't work.

As for being "extraneous (and otherwise useless) in this situation for bringing it up" I disagree. If my humble question keeps someone from forgetting to "pin" thier offlist lower mag and make a mistake, then I feel that this post has done what I intended it to do... jog the memory and HELP people!

Relax, go shooting, and try to remember what this site is all about...gun discussion, information, and a place to meet likeminded folks, not a place to flame people and try to belittle them. GEEZ!

[ohsmily]

As for being "extraneous (and otherwise useless) in this situation for bringing it up" I disagree. If my humble question keeps someone from forgetting to "pin" thier offlist lower mag and make a mistake, then I feel that this post has done what I intended it to do... jog the memory and HELP people!

Then start yet another thread about pinning mags versus running without a grip. Once you decide to do that...then reconsider and realize that is what the FAQ and countless other posts have done.

Or perhaps you should remind everyone in every single thread you come across about pinning mags v. no pistol grip if the original thread topic "has been beaten to death".

[ohsmily]

Alright, alright...I am overzealous...

It just seemed like you were being a pedagogue to someone who had their sh1t together except for some bad threads on a part. Further, your post didn't actual contain info other than telling people to seek the info (which isn't necessarily a bad thing).

But anyway, I am overzealous at times. You are correct.

P.S. (I shoot often and have way to many guns )


P.P.S (no one has too many guns)

[LOW2000]

BTW, the serrated part of the button faces out when its assembled. As was said, the threads likely need to be cleaned up, maybe a little too much coating got on either the catch or the button and thats all it is.

[Renron]

Thanks Ohsmily

[QUOTE=ohsmily]Alright, alright...I am overzealous...

Thanks Ohsmily for understanding blfd1 's original post and how it was intended. Very humble and professional of you. Thanks for not turning "our" forum into the catfight know as ARF.com(plain).
Ron

BTW great pic of your "better half" at the air show...lucky dog!

[Santa Cruz Armory]

Truce...LOL!

Alright, alright...I am overzealous...

It just seemed like you were being a pedagogue to someone who had their sh1t together except for some bad threads on a part. Further, your post didn't actual contain info other than telling people to seek the info (which isn't necessarily a bad thing).

But anyway, I am overzealous at times. You are correct.

P.S. (I shoot often and have way to many guns )


P.P.S (no one has too many guns)

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Yea, I had to look it up but thats how I am....and that's how I like to help. So there it is for everyone.

I hope he got his mag button fixed and I hope that him or someone got something from this post other than eye strain... and I hope we can agree to disagree on some things.

I read alot of your posts and you have alot of good information...but, sometimes you can be a little over the top. But thats your writing style, and I have to respect that you speak your mind and post it for all to see, and follow up with valid arguments. Thanks for the exchange, I enjoyed it.

Happy shootin', I'm off to the range.

[xrMike]

Okay, turns out I was able to make it work. I think the threads in the button were pretty rough is all... I put a drop of oil on the threads on the catch and was able to spin the button on half-way. So I assembled the parts on the receiver as far as I could, and did what somebody mentioned -- I pressed the button side with a ball point pen so the catch came out the other side, and since the catch acts like a big lever, it gives you more leverage for turning. Anyway, I got it on. The end of the catch is now flush with the serrated side of the button. Good to go.

I stress over things too much sometimes...

So then I was able to get the bolt catch on (tricky to do without scratching the side of the receiver) and that big pin on the front of the receiver (almost lost that tiny little pin on top of the spring a couple times!).

By then I was too buzzed (on my 3rd beer) to risk further assembly errors or lost parts, so I called it a night. I'll finish it up today and maybe post a picture. Not that you guys haven't seen a thousand pictures of these things already, heheh.

Don't have an upper yet, but I'm looking at that 24" stainless bull barrel Varmint EOP.

Thanks for the help!

(and yes, this will be a gripless/detachable mag gun)