keltec sub 2000

[E Michael]

So I did a ppt for this gun other day anyhow I was out buying ammo and the guy their told me these are illegal in CA and further more any keltec is illegal.I talked to him for a bit then realized I might be wasting my breath, any thoughts on this?

[Soul_Cal]

Does it have a bullet button and stock extension (to make OAL 30")?

[ufcfan83]

All you have to worry about is making sure you have the bullet button and either a butt stock extension witch KELTEC sells for $11 plus shipping or an extended muzzle break. If you have an over all length of thirty inches with a bullet button you are good to go. Also the sub2k has a 16 inch barrel so you do not have to pin or epoxy either of the accessories that increase the extra half inch. Educate him next time you see him. Though I do wonder what his argument as to why they are illegal is.

[E Michael]

It has a kydex wrap so no BB needed. He was just somehow all keltec was banned by name or some crap..... ill look into the butt stock extension and make sure its over 30 inches.

[spamsucker]

it's called FUD. Tell him he's spreading it and that you wish he'd stop.

[Grumpyoldretiredcop]

^ This, without a doubt. Your Sub2K is perfectly legal with a grip wrap and factory buttstock extension and is not banned by name. I have one in the same configuration.

Call this idiot on his FUD - demand that he quote the law he thinks he's referring to. Have fun with it; it's fun to see FUD spreaders get that "deer in the headlights" look when required to provide fact to back up their babbling.

[E Michael]

Well when we were talking he kinda just did like a 'ummmm eeeeeshhhh' and then said 'well if somehow people are getting those into California good for them' But like I said it was just an ammo shop, might just be some random guy trying to earn a buck to support his family. And I don't know the laws word for word, but I do know everything I own is perfectly legal.

[lazyworm]

http://law.justia.com/cases/california/caapp4th/17/1207.html

http://law.justia.com/cases/california/caapp4th/17/1207.html

Just because an FFL will process the transfer, it does not make the firearm legal to possess in California. Do not take the Calguns flow chart as law. Unfortunately that is the law. Possess these firearms at your own risk.

WRONG!

Sub2000 and SU16A, B, CA all cannot be fired when folded, so the 30" length requirement doesn't apply when folded.

This case is also from 1993, which predates the existent of all these keltec rifles.

[stix213]

http://law.justia.com/cases/california/caapp4th/17/1207.html

http://law.justia.com/cases/california/caapp4th/17/1207.html

Just because an FFL will process the transfer, it does not make the firearm legal to possess in California. Do not take the Calguns flow chart as law. Unfortunately that is the law. Possess these firearms at your own risk.

You're full of crap. Rooney dealt with a firearm that could still be fired when the stock was not extended, which has nothing to do with the two keltec firearms that are disabled when folded.

Also, Rooney's argument that his rifle was only intended to be fired with the stock extended was based on his AK having a scope next to it NOT EVEN ATTACHED, so was a bogus argument to say the least. His AK underfolder with scope disconnected was certainly intended to be fired with the stock in its shortest position, which is partly why the courts didn't buy his argument, and also why it has nothing to do with the keltecs.

[Guitarmoto]

http://law.justia.com/cases/california/caapp4th/17/1207.html

http://law.justia.com/cases/california/caapp4th/17/1207.html

Just because an FFL will process the transfer, it does not make the firearm legal to possess in California. Do not take the Calguns flow chart as law. Unfortunately that is the law. Possess these firearms at your own risk.

If this were true, then I couldn't legally separate my AR lower from the upper for storage or transportation. That's essentially what my keltec does when unhinged. It is inoperable and the lower trigger group swings under and forward with the butt stock.

[E Michael]

SO wouldn't this apply to a 10-22 take down as well then? O and I have the stock extention so its over 30 inches when it can be fired.

[E Michael]

Or a Henry AR-7

[ufcfan83]

SO wouldn't this apply to a 10-22 take down as well then? O and I have the stock extention so its over 30 inches when it can be fired.

Using BayArea101's argument then yes it would be illegal also. I disagree and as do most NRA lawyers and knowledgeable FFL's.

[ufcfan83]

The Ruger 10/22 Takedown is a rifle that is designed so that the barrel can be quickly separated from the action. This is in order to disassemble the rifle. Just like disassembling any other rifle, the Ruger 10/22 Takedown was just designed to simplify that process.

The Sub-2000 or SU-16CA are not disassembled when folded. They are inoperable, but that does not mean they are disassembled. That is an important distinction.

By folding the sub2k you have disassembled the action from the barrel. You can not chamber a round because it is in a disassembled state. The rifle can not function folded because in that state it is disassembled.