Long Guns Are Not Registered?

[Rangem4]

Is it true that the Acme 30-30 rifle I bought 6 years ago at ABC Gun store is not on any database? In other words if a Government agency was ordered to notify said rifle owners they must register or turn-in or whatever rifles they own based on a list. Does that list exist? Could that list exist?
It may be a stupid question but there it is.
Thanks.

[rplusplus]

What rifle?

[email]

Well, there's the Dealer Record of Sale (DROS) form. That goes to DOJ (State) and doens't really have any firearm identifying info on it.

Then when you picked it up, you signed the 4473 form (Fed).

Look on page 3.... http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-4473-1.pdf

While this is supposed to be discarded (in 30 days?...Tiarhart (sp)?), I sincerely doubt the info is not kept.

[shadowofnight]

Acme ?

Isn't that the brand the coyote was always ordering.

It's at least on paper one time , on the 4473 at the FFL.

[AKSOG]

You never know what kinds of lists they have kept but registration on long guns does not take effect until 2014

[gun toting monkeyboy]

I think you lost that one in a tragic canoeing accident, didn't you? IIRC, the FFL must keep the information on the sale of the long guns in their bound book for 20 or 25 years. But that is only a record of who they sold the gun to, not what happened to it after that. And at this point, many C&Rs can still be sold face to face by individuals without any records. If you are that concerned about government seizures, I would either buy C&Rs that way, or buy pre-1898 firearms that are antiques, and can be purchased through the mail with no paperwork. Or, of course, you can go the 80% route and build your own with no paperwork either.

-Mb

[lorax3]

Generally on a federal level licensees are required to keep track of firearms that come into and out of their possession. In theory a trace could begin at the manufacturer and be followed to the dealer the firearm was sold at. This would be a manually process going from bound book to bound book to 4473.

In CA, only the serial numbers of handguns are recorded with the state.

[lorax3]

I think you lost that one in a tragic canoeing accident, didn't you? IIRC, the FFL must keep the information on the sale of the long guns in their bound book for 20 or 25 years.

Dealers must keep 4473's for 20 years, however they must retain their bound book for the entirety of their license. If an FFL goes out of business, they are required to send their bound book to the ATF.

[CessnaDriver]

Acme ?

Isn't that the brand the coyote was always ordering.

.......

ACME

American
Corporation that
Manufactures
Everything


Well it least it used to back in Wile E. Coyote's day.

[smittty]

I believe they keep the data from all dros's. The FFL logs every sale in their book and when an FFL closes his business or looses his ffl the log books becomes property of the DOJ.

Registration of newly purchased long guns becomes official Jan 1, 2014.

Registration of long guns does nothing to reduce or prevent crime. Canada tried it, after spending billions they realized it didn't reduce crime...earlier this year the scraped the program. Yes, billions was spent on the program that failed to make a difference.

...but it's expected to do wonders in California. After all we in California have too much money and need to find ways to spend it. The ****ING IDIOTS!