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  • ERdept
    CGN/CGSSA Contributor
    CGN Contributor
    • Apr 2009
    • 4698

    M1 Carbine, new versions as Home Defense rifle

    I already have a pistol and shotgun.


    But I want to talk about the longer ranges of home defense in the rifle form.



    What's your take on the newly make M1 Carbines for reliability and the caliber for home defense please?



    I know it's been talked about, don't' mind a re-hash if you please.
  • #2
    Enfield47
    Calguns Addict
    • Sep 2012
    • 6385

    Are you referring to the WWII style M1 carbine that Citadel is making? If so, I have heard from everyone to avoid them like a plague. They are cheap for a reason. Invest in a C&R one from WWII or Korea, they will last you a longtime if you take care of them. Auto Ordanance makes a pretty decent version on the M1 carbine and it is priced about the same as a C&R one.

    Also, just my two cents but if you are shooting an intruder at a range long enough to require a rifle instead of a pistol or shotgun, it will be difficult to prove to anyone that you felt you or your family's life was threatened. Now if you are asking about the stopping power of the .30 cal round, I would say it's GTG.
    Last edited by Enfield47; 12-23-2012, 10:22 PM.

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    • #3
      sigstroker
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Jan 2009
      • 19136

      They would prob make a great HD gun. Low flash, blast, and recoil compared to a handgun and easier to aim too.

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      • #4
        MrPlink
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Mar 2010
        • 12532

        Go surp or go home. The new ones stink.
        The California Moderate Centrist Militia member in exile

        disclaimer:
        everything I post is for arguendo and entertainment purposes only, and should not be construed to be legal advice

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        • #5
          ap3572001
          Calguns Addict
          • Jun 2007
          • 6039

          I would try to find Ruger PC9 Police carbine. ( Or PC4 in. 40)

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          • #6
            gun toting monkeyboy
            Calguns Addict
            • Aug 2008
            • 6820

            They are not bad. The original ones, I mean. Even some of the Universals, provided they are models with a GI bolt and charging handle. Not the stamped charging handle. The cartridge is an odd duck. With FMJs, it behaves like a fast, lightweight pistol bullet. With soft points it tends to act more like a rifle bullet. Ammo is expensive, and the availability is spotty, to say the least. On the other hand, if you have one, or can find a lower cost one, you can turn it into a dandy HD weapon. I put a red dot on my Universal because the sights that came with it sucked. I mean really sucked, to the point where you couldn't see through the rear sight unless it was set for more than 300 yards. They are not as powerful as most rifles, but they can do the job with the right ammunition.

            -Mb
            Originally posted by aplinker
            It's OK not to post when you have no clue what you're talking about.

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            • #7
              Vepr 54R
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2012
              • 574

              Wouldn't be bad to add to the stable, but I would prefer a pistol for home defense.
              want: milsurp 1911 and Mosin M-44 Carbine

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              • #8
                Norcalkid
                Senior Member
                • Nov 2008
                • 1971

                I have 2 ww2 ones. I really like them. Fun to shoot and a lot of history. But ammo is expensive. As for hd, well i wouldn't want one shooting at me.

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                • #9
                  cfm117
                  Member
                  • Nov 2008
                  • 487

                  Imo, the M1 Carbine platform is not reliable. I own several as well as the people i shoot with and they are subject to jamming on loading a new round during firing if you have any sort of pressure or contact with the magazine. It has a tendancy to point the rounds low on the feed ramp if you toy with the mag. Just my experience, may not be with others. I was talking original not remanufacture btw.


                  "Every gun makes it's own tune." - Blondie

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                  • #10
                    Doheny
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Sep 2008
                    • 13819

                    Originally posted by ERdept
                    I already have a pistol and shotgun.


                    But I want to talk about the longer ranges of home defense in the rifle form.

                    .
                    Long Beach (where your location states) ain't the boonies, so hopefully you'll never have to engage anyone further than the end of your hallway.

                    Sent from Free America

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                    • #11
                      Mail Clerk
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2008
                      • 2324

                      Originally posted by ERdept
                      I already have a pistol and shotgun.


                      But I want to talk about the longer ranges of home defense in the rifle form.



                      What's your take on the newly make M1 Carbines for reliability and the caliber for home defense please?



                      I know it's been talked about, don't' mind a re-hash if you please.
                      ERdept,

                      I think they would make fantastic house guns and are easy to shoot by anyone in the family. All mine are WWII surplus and so I can't comment on the newly made ones but I believe they're produced from the origional drawings.

                      Mail Clerk

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                      • #12
                        tmh1
                        Kitchen Operator
                        CGN Contributor
                        • Nov 2012
                        • 1903

                        Originally posted by MrPlink
                        Go surp or go home. The new ones stink.
                        Can't speak of the old, surplus ones. But I do have 2 of the newer ones (Auto Ordnance). Both are relatively new, and are going through teething issues. On both the upper handguard (wood) liked to pop loose, but that is pretty easily fixable when you just sit down and examine the parts on a table at home.

                        Feeding issues also occur as noted above. I have installed the Wolff "extra power" recoil springs as most owners seem to recommend. But the issues still occur, and seem mostly to occur with the non OEM (non-AO) magazines.

                        But with that said, I still have less than 500 rounds through these guns, and they are getting better the more I shoot. And the FTF's are pretty easy to deal with: Pull back slightly on the bolt handle and then push it forward. Done.

                        When these get reliable (which I believe they will), they will be GREAT HD guns, and they don't require a bullet button!
                        sigpic
                        "Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn't so." - Ronald Reagan

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                        • #13
                          gwanghoops
                          Senior Member
                          • Feb 2012
                          • 1452

                          if you're looking at an M1 carbine, try the mini 14 -- it's about a 1 lb heavier, 2 inches longer, and they're everywhere. I'd buy a PC in 9 or 40, but they're much harder to find.

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                          • #14
                            mls343
                            Senior Member
                            • Mar 2009
                            • 1543

                            Wow, two posts that state the new manufactured M1 Carbines as being unreliable? I only have surpluss oldies, but I have NEVER had any reliability issues with them. In fact, they run flawlessly. I have heard the build quality is less on the new ones, but I'm still quite surprised that reliability issues are so common.

                            That said, my M1's make a fine HD option due to reliability, the 30 carbine round (similar to .357 in performance), and overall handiness. It is especially useful for camping and backpacking as well.
                            Next to me in the blackness lay my oiled blue steel beauty. The greatest Christmas gift I had ever received, or would ever receive. Gradually, I drifted off to sleep, pringing ducks on the wing and getting off spectacular hip shots.
                            - Ralphie from "A Christmas Story"

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                            • #15
                              Scuba Steve33
                              Banned
                              • Jan 2012
                              • 2339

                              If I had to bet my life on a round it wouldn't be the .30 Carbine.

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