more slidefire stock sightings...

[orlydose1]

i know recently there was talk about a calgunner up north seeing these for sale in california and i also know that the legality of this stock has been highly debated. that being said, i recently stumbled across a new lgs in glendale, ca. that has been posting videos on facebook using the slidestock at a local range(angeles). has something changed in regards to the legality? has there been a letter of determination from the atf issued recently? looking for facts please, not opinions.

[Capybara]

The ATF is happy with the Slidefire, it's the DOJ who would be busting people in California because the Slidefire breaks California penal code. Illegal here and people are asking to be busted. We will have a test case soon.

[orlydose1]

thank you for clarifying, i knew i was mixed up somewhere

[762.DEFENSE]

Glad others have the money for legal counsel. I'm sure we'll be hearing about a test case in the near future.

[lilro]

How long, and how much open blatant use is needed before people think it's legal? What I'm saying is, if we make it to 2016, and there are hundreds/thousands of CA users on youtube, and not a single arrest is made, would the legal guys at calguns change their opinion? Or is their interpretation to be taken as fact, even when evidence suggests different?

[Capybara]

Most experienced CalGunners and the legal minds here find that through strict interpretation of the penal code, the Slidefire is, at best, a gray area in Ca. and at worst, illegal here. The manufacturer of the Slidefire submitted samples to the DOJ and the DOJ has been expectedly silent on the issue. They are leaving it up to the states DAs to make an example.

The Slidefire, just like Tannerite, is a no-no here unless you are willing to the take the risk of being the test case. Don't forget that we all live in one of the most anti-gun state and it is frankly risky to do anything with guns in California, even if you are positive it is legal. All of us take risks, I have an Uzi and regular capacity magazines I owned from the 90s. I have a Title 1 "Other" (AR Pistol with greater than 28" OAL and a VFG) Totally legal, but a risk, because most LEOs aren't going to be aware of the Franklin Armory letter. It all depends on the risks you are willing to take to have fun. Nobody NEEDS a Slidefire, it is an ammo wasting toy, but very cool.

If you want to buy a Slidefire, go for it, be the test case. I would love if the Slidefire was Cal legal, I would buy one in a heartbeat if I had regular cap AR magazines. Kind of wasted with 10 rounders though.

[lilro]

Most experienced CalGunners and the legal minds here find that through strict interpretation of the penal code, the Slidefire is, at best, a gray area in Ca. and at worst, illegal here. The manufacturer of the Slidefire submitted samples to the DOJ and the DOJ has been expectedly silent on the issue. They are leaving it up to the states DAs to make an example.

The Slidefire, just like Tannerite, is a no-no here unless you are willing to the take the risk of being the test case. Don't forget that we all live in one of the most anti-gun state and it is frankly risky to do anything with guns in California, even if you are positive it is legal. All of us take risks, I have an Uzi and regular capacity magazines I owned for the 90s. I have a Title 1 "Other" (AR Pistol with greater than 28" OAL and a VFG) Totally legal, but a risk, because most LEOs aren't going to be aware of the Franklin Armory letter. It all depends on the risks you are willing to take to have fun. Nobody NEEDS a Slidefire, it is an ammo wasting toy, but very cool.

If you want to buy a Slidefire, go for it, be the test case. I would love if the Slidefire was Cal legal, I would buy one in a heartbeat if I had regular cap AR magazines. Kind of wasted with 10 rounders though.

You're missing what I'm saying. I'm saying if it is deemed legal, I have a feeling the calguns legal guys won't admit if they were wrong. They will take the "legal" approach and remain silent, like the DOJ. Laws don't tell you what is legal, they tell you what is illegal. IMO, the Slidefire doesn't meet the definition of a burst trigger activator. But I don't really have an interest in owning one anyway, so I don't spend much time thinking about it.

[hellayella]

wht they mean is better to stray on the side of caution...

[TheExiled]

Link to said video/store's sight? I find that interesting since Angeles doesn't allow rapid fire

[roushstage2]

Nobody NEEDS a Slidefire...

That's the way the state feels about everything related to firearms. Nobody NEEDS more than 10 rounds in a magazine at a time, but that's not the point in working to turn over the stringent CA laws. It's that it's another control and restriction against law-abiding citizens.

[Capybara]

That's the way the state feels about everything related to firearms. Nobody NEEDS more than 10 rounds in a magazine at a time, but that's not the point in working to turn over the stringent CA laws. It's that it's another control and restriction against law-abiding citizens.

Agreed. Their damn brainwashing even has an effect on me and how I choose my words.

[Capybara]

You're missing what I'm saying. I'm saying if it is deemed legal, I have a feeling the calguns legal guys won't admit if they were wrong. They will take the "legal" approach and remain silent, like the DOJ. Laws don't tell you what is legal, they tell you what is illegal. IMO, the Slidefire doesn't meet the definition of a burst trigger activator. But I don't really have an interest in owning one anyway, so I don't spend much time thinking about it.

Right, but how will it "be deemed legal"? DOJ will be mute on the subject and nobody will know until there is a test case with a ruling. I think the Calguns guys would err on the side of being conservative because they don't want to see members being prosecuted. I agree with them that a device like the Slidefire is of little importance in our fight for groundbreaking, significant laws like Shall Issue and fighting BS like SB249 Round II.

In comparison, the Slidefire is a toy. A very fun and cool toy, but a toy nonetheless and I do think that we are in a war for our civil rights and items like these can become a distraction or a detour to our end game legally. It's like talking about machine gun ownership in California. Sure, it would be great, so would owning SBRs and suppressors here but in comparison, I bet more Calgunners care about Bullet Buttons and being able to keep our ARs and AKs than about NFA items. I know I definitely care more about Shall Issue than just about any other gun issue in the state.

[MrPlink]

IBTL

[MossbergMan]

I've seen the slide fires video's, other than being a "bump fire" device, it's not a multi- shot trigger activator so could someone cite of link up the penal code that prohibits these toys?

[Grumpyoldretiredcop]

I've seen the slide fires video's, other than being a "bump fire" device, it's not a multi- shot trigger activator so could someone cite of link up the penal code that prohibits these toys?

Sorry to differ with you. It does appear to fall under the definition of "multiburst trigger activator" as defined under the former Penal Code section 12020 (c)(23)(a) - I don't have the cite for the current code section number. See this Calguns thread to find out why it's referred to on Calguns as an illegal device in California. You are perfectly free to believe that the Slidefire is not a multiburst activator - only time and a test case will tell otherwise. Looks like we may see one soon - I'd like to see your opinion prevail as I'd like to have one to play with, but my money is on the opposite result.