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  • tanakasan
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2011
    • 1638

    Dedicated .22 upper question...

    Hope this is OK to post here, it was a coin toss between rimfire and centerfire forums! Posted here since the centerfire regulations are more convoluted and involved.

    So I have a couple of .556 AR's and a third lower. Thinking of a .22 dedicated upper. I know a BB is not needed for rimfire rifles. This addition would make 3 lowers and 3 uppers.

    Could having possession of a non BB lower and centerfire uppers be construed as constructive possession? Or would having dedicated uppers for each lower resolve that? Even though they *are* directly interchangeable? I know not to assemble the centerfire upper to the non BB lower as that would be a felony.

    Along similar lines, would a BB'd lower and rimfire upper assembly be an issue? Any regulations regarding that combination?

    Last question; suggestions for a quality .22 upper?

    TIA for any insight!

    Robert
    WTB/WTT
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    itisagoodname
    CGN/CGSSA Contributor
    • Jan 2010
    • 1359

    Need to know this as well.

    Im interested in building a AR pistol with dedicated 10" .22lr barrel. In this configuration would i still need a BB? What is the overall length needed to use a vertical grip? Could this be achieved without a buffer tube?
    tere hanges

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    • #3
      0351USMC
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2011
      • 2262

      Originally posted by itisagoodname
      Need to know this as well.

      Im interested in building a AR pistol with dedicated 10" .22lr barrel. In this configuration would i still need a BB? What is the overall length needed to use a vertical grip? Could this be achieved without a buffer tube?
      you would need AR Pistol Lower to build AR22 pistol.

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      • #4
        itisagoodname
        CGN/CGSSA Contributor
        • Jan 2010
        • 1359

        Originally posted by 0351USMC
        you would need AR Pistol Lower to build AR22 pistol.
        I know i've got 6 80% lowers.

        (+1 on the mill)
        20120904_191654.jpg

        My .22lr pistol (using conversion) i'd prefer dedicated now.
        Last edited by itisagoodname; 09-05-2012, 7:31 PM.
        tere hanges

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        • #5
          itisagoodname
          CGN/CGSSA Contributor
          • Jan 2010
          • 1359

          I think having a lower with a normal mag release mated to a dedicated 22lr upper shouldn't be a problem.

          It is a grey area when you are using a .223 upper with a conversion kit.

          Regardless, i believe a .22lr pistol would need a bullet button.
          tere hanges

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          • #6
            deckhandmike
            Calguns Addict
            • Jan 2011
            • 8325

            That .22 pistol is sweet...

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            • #7
              Harrison_Bergeron
              Senior Member
              • Jan 2008
              • 1974

              There is no rimfire exemption for handguns.

              There is no constructive possession in CA AW law.
              "It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." -Aristotle

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              • #8
                phrogg111
                Senior Member
                • Jan 2012
                • 750

                To answer your legal question, there is no such thing as "constructive possession" of an assault weapon.

                You can have your lower for a .22 upper - especially if you have the .22 upper - without a bullet button in it, and a 5.56 upper sitting next to that. That's not a problem.

                If you had a bunch of preban 30 round magazines, loaded, an AR lower without a bullet button and with no upper installed, and a semi automatic centerfire AR upper, there's nothing a police officer could convict you of.

                Now, if you put a centerfire rifle on a non-BB AR, you've committed a misdemeanor or felony. If you're really lucky, they'll let you surrender your rifle as a "nuisance" and they'll destroy it. If you're not lucky, you'll get a felony conviction and a year in prison.

                Good that you asked, though. Better to know than just be somewhat sure.

                Go read the penal codes that apply! Good stuff to know!
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                There is no privilege to keep and bear arms.

                Arms are for killing people. All other uses of an arm are illegitimate uses.

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                • #9
                  stix213
                  AKA: Joe Censored
                  CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                  • Apr 2009
                  • 19002

                  Originally posted by phrogg111
                  To answer your legal question, there is no such thing as "constructive possession" of an assault weapon.

                  You can have your lower for a .22 upper - especially if you have the .22 upper - without a bullet button in it, and a 5.56 upper sitting next to that. That's not a problem.

                  If you had a bunch of preban 30 round magazines, loaded, an AR lower without a bullet button and with no upper installed, and a semi automatic centerfire AR upper, there's nothing a police officer could convict you of.

                  Now, if you put a centerfire rifle on a non-BB AR, you've committed a misdemeanor or felony. If you're really lucky, they'll let you surrender your rifle as a "nuisance" and they'll destroy it. If you're not lucky, you'll get a felony conviction and a year in prison.

                  Good that you asked, though. Better to know than just be somewhat sure.

                  Go read the penal codes that apply! Good stuff to know!
                  Mostly good info, though you can certainly have a featureless rifle lower without a BB, and run a centerfire upper on it all day.

                  Also while there is no constructive possession for AW's, your setup should still pass the smell test.

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                  • #10
                    Tjfearl
                    Senior Member
                    • May 2012
                    • 1108

                    you best bet is getting a CMMG M4 LE upper with Black Dog mags or the new CMMG mags. hit up Shadow65 for a deal on CMMG upper.
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