Are these parts any good

[plinkmeister]

This is a demilled Norinco Sporter AK kit and no, I`m not affiliated with the seller.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=90907753

[SeanO]

Not really. They cut the front trunnion in the demil process.

[jamesob]

norincos are not bad. but like he said they cut the front trunnion a little. not sure how much was removed, might be o.k

[plinkmeister]

How is the overall quality of Nork parts compared to Romanian?

[NeoWeird]

Pre-polytech Norincos are supposed to be good finished firearms but they are known to have their problems (bad heat treating and poor metal quality seems to arise more often than with other countries). The problem with them arises form the fact that they are reverse engineered so AK parts don't always work with them and sometimes the parts HAVE to be Norino, and from a certain date and model to boot. The kit above, as stated has had it's rear rivet cut off from the front trunion. Not saying it WON'T work, but it's an added headache.

In all honestly, since matching Romanian kits with little to no wear are still around for under $150, why bother with a ~$200 Norinco kit (his last one went for $285 if I remember right) when it will take extra work and money to get up and running. The reason why those prices are that way is because Norinco parts are hard to find, so people needing replacement parts, or missing parts from their rifles/sets are jumping all over it. Not a pretty game to be in. Now if you're dying for a Norinco, go for it, but it will never be a true Norinco (besides, why buy a Sporter parts kit when you could try and find a model 56 or the likes?).

Also, just as a side note, I am VERY leery of TJsoutdoorsports, or whatever his name is. He only sells obscure parts kits from many different guns with nothing else ever for sale. I normally wouldn't think much of it, but I've seen on a handful of occassions where he has sold demilled machine guns that are not demilled to ATF specs (seen it three different times). I get to wondering if they are confiscated weapons that the government destroys the frames and trys to bolster funds with the remaining parts (saw a guy selling a Sig yesterday and he even admitted it was a criminal weapon whose frame was destroyed and the parts auctioned off to get some money back). Wouldn't be surprised if this was the case and it was s ting or auction liquidation.

One last question though, anyone know what that rivet is in front of the hammer pin hole? At first I thought it was an auto sear hole until I realized it was above the hammer. Is that the cross strut rivet and its been ground flat to look like a pin? Also, what's with the funky selector stop, is that to prevent someone from modifying the weapon to take a auto sear?

[wayoutwest]

One last question though, anyone know what that rivet is in front of the hammer pin hole? At first I thought it was an auto sear hole until I realized it was above the hammer. Is that the cross strut rivet and its been ground flat to look like a pin? Also, what's with the funky selector stop, is that to prevent someone from modifying the weapon to take a auto sear?

The flat looking rivit is for the center support, the other little circles will be weld spots for the lower rails, as for the selector stop, not sure why it is like it is.

As for the trunion being shaved like that I wouldnt worry about that, still alot of room for the lower rivit.

[plinkmeister]

Pre-polytech Norincos are supposed to be good finished firearms but they are known to have their problems (bad heat treating and poor metal quality seems to arise more often than with other countries). The problem with them arises form the fact that they are reverse engineered so AK parts don't always work with them and sometimes the parts HAVE to be Norino, and from a certain date and model to boot. The kit above, as stated has had it's rear rivet cut off from the front trunion. Not saying it WON'T work, but it's an added headache.

In all honestly, since matching Romanian kits with little to no wear are still around for under $150, why bother with a ~$200 Norinco kit (his last one went for $285 if I remember right) when it will take extra work and money to get up and running. The reason why those prices are that way is because Norinco parts are hard to find, so people needing replacement parts, or missing parts from their rifles/sets are jumping all over it. Not a pretty game to be in. Now if you're dying for a Norinco, go for it, but it will never be a true Norinco (besides, why buy a Sporter parts kit when you could try and find a model 56 or the likes?).

Also, just as a side note, I am VERY leery of TJsoutdoorsports, or whatever his name is. He only sells obscure parts kits from many different guns with nothing else ever for sale. I normally wouldn't think much of it, but I've seen on a handful of occassions where he has sold demilled machine guns that are not demilled to ATF specs (seen it three different times). I get to wondering if they are confiscated weapons that the government destroys the frames and trys to bolster funds with the remaining parts (saw a guy selling a Sig yesterday and he even admitted it was a criminal weapon whose frame was destroyed and the parts auctioned off to get some money back). Wouldn't be surprised if this was the case and it was s ting or auction liquidation.

One last question though, anyone know what that rivet is in front of the hammer pin hole? At first I thought it was an auto sear hole until I realized it was above the hammer. Is that the cross strut rivet and its been ground flat to look like a pin? Also, what's with the funky selector stop, is that to prevent someone from modifying the weapon to take a auto sear?

Funny that you would say that...among 1911 shooters/ builders the Nork frame was quite popular because of its quality and price. I`ve never heard any mak or Nork SKS owners complain about poor quality steel either . Also, the "Sporter" had a semiauto FCG from the factory, so there were never any "evil parts" or "3rd hole" issues here.
As for the seller offering only parts, well you might have a point here...after all why would one demill revolvers???...but his feedback rating is flawless.

[jacques]

Pre-polytech Norincos are supposed to be good finished firearms but they are known to have their problems (bad heat treating and poor metal quality seems to arise more often than with other countries). The problem with them arises form the fact that they are reverse engineered so AK parts don't always work with them and sometimes the parts HAVE to be Norino, and from a certain date and model to boot. The kit above, as stated has had it's rear rivet cut off from the front trunion. Not saying it WON'T work, but it's an added headache.

In all honestly, since matching Romanian kits with little to no wear are still around for under $150, why bother with a ~$200 Norinco kit (his last one went for $285 if I remember right) when it will take extra work and money to get up and running. The reason why those prices are that way is because Norinco parts are hard to find, so people needing replacement parts, or missing parts from their rifles/sets are jumping all over it. Not a pretty game to be in. Now if you're dying for a Norinco, go for it, but it will never be a true Norinco (besides, why buy a Sporter parts kit when you could try and find a model 56 or the likes?).

Also, just as a side note, I am VERY leery of TJsoutdoorsports, or whatever his name is. He only sells obscure parts kits from many different guns with nothing else ever for sale. I normally wouldn't think much of it, but I've seen on a handful of occassions where he has sold demilled machine guns that are not demilled to ATF specs (seen it three different times). I get to wondering if they are confiscated weapons that the government destroys the frames and trys to bolster funds with the remaining parts (saw a guy selling a Sig yesterday and he even admitted it was a criminal weapon whose frame was destroyed and the parts auctioned off to get some money back). Wouldn't be surprised if this was the case and it was s ting or auction liquidation.

One last question though, anyone know what that rivet is in front of the hammer pin hole? At first I thought it was an auto sear hole until I realized it was above the hammer. Is that the cross strut rivet and its been ground flat to look like a pin? Also, what's with the funky selector stop, is that to prevent someone from modifying the weapon to take a auto sear?

Can you point me in the direction of the $150 Romainian kit? Thanks.

[plinkmeister]

Can you point me in the direction of the $150 Romainian kit? Thanks.

There are a whole bunch of them on gunbroker.

[JHC]

Can you point me in the direction of the $150 Romainian kit? Thanks.

http://dpharms.com/matching-number-romanian-ak47-kits-p-95.html

https://www.apexgunparts.com/product_info.php/cPath/51/products_id/543?osCsid=348b05d5a50ccf2b4d38039007bce642

[NeoWeird]

Funny that you would say that...among 1911 shooters/ builders the Nork frame was quite popular because of its quality and price. I`ve never heard any mak or Nork SKS owners complain about poor quality steel either . Also, the "Sporter" had a semiauto FCG from the factory, so there were never any "evil parts" or "3rd hole" issues here.
As for the seller offering only parts, well you might have a point here...after all why would one demill revolvers???...but his feedback rating is flawless.

Not much experience with the Norinco 1911s so I can't comment, but I am sure a good portion of the following comes from people who buy the cheap 1911s and then customize them later. It's nice getting everything you need for the price of a stripped frame. Same thing that is happening with the Rock Island 1911s right now.

During the ban Norincos were starting to get a bad reputation, particularlly around the time Polytech took over. Some of the later .223 variants were known to have heat treat issues that sometimes egged the holes or cracked the receivers. Maks are known for their quality, but not all Norincos are Maks.

Also, I wasn't implying that the Norinco came from the factory with the "happy hole", but rather that it was modified later to have one. Why else would someone demill a Norinco sporter?

[PsychoTrucker]

damnit if they hadnt screwed up the front turnnion I coulda fixed my reg'd mak90 with this......*grumbles*

[Q]

I think someone said it will still work even with the little bit of trunnion gone. That one was not demilled as good as their other norincos. I wanted to buy one of their egyptian parts sets.

I think the heat treating problem is about the b-west receivers. I never read anything about poly or norinco AK heat treating problems and I read alot about norincos.

I would buy the kit if you want a chinese rifle they're hard to come by. If you look for a off list one it's gonna cost way more than what you are gonna spend on that kit and a 1.6 usa receiver. If you want a close copy already built go to centerfire systems have a vendor order you a ssr-85c gripless. $550.

The mak-91 and bwk-92 are not on the list. I think the 56 is covered by name but not the 56-1 56-2. Those will take some work to be ca compliant. the-1 and -2 are rare,expensive, and hard to find. They usually sell pretty quick too.
Another set of off list ones are the gsad "movie guns" they're really rare. I've been looking for a standard stock gsad.

gsad porn

[NeoWeird]

Accodring to Centerfire the SSR-85c is Bulgarian not Chinese. And what makes the GSAD so special?

Also, I've heard from at least two different sources that the BWK-92s had bad receivers which is why they aren't nearly as popular as other Norincos out there (they don't even have the star!).

[plinkmeister]

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Also, I wasn't implying that the Norinco came from the factory with the "happy hole", but rather that it was modified later to have one. Why else would someone demill a Norinco sporter?

Good question.

Btw, are the Nork recievers 1.05mm thick or are they 1.5 like the Yugos?