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  • duc748bip
    Senior Member
    • Jul 2009
    • 1081

    Another buffer/retainer problem

    Here is a picture of a busted buffer retainer pin. POF upper and lower the silver crescent shape in the buffer tube is wear from the Bolt carrier tilt.. (I think)
    But i don't know why the retainer pin will snap or if it is normal wear.

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  • #2
    chead
    Veteran Member
    • Apr 2011
    • 3109

    From what I've seen on other forums, over-gassing or a soft buffer could do it. I've even heard of hot-loaded rounds snapping it right off.
    Originally posted by NorCalK9.com
    Hecka funny all my friends with AR's call them "clips" but I call them bullet holder things lol
    Originally posted by MikeR
    So suck it HK, If I wanted an $800 pistol with a crap trigger I would just go buy 2 Glocks.

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    • #3
      ott1
      Senior Member
      • Mar 2009
      • 1882

      That's quite a bit of carrier tilt.

      Get one of these or this. Better yet, talk to POF about getting a new buffer tube and/or carrier that fixes the problem of carrier tilt. The older POF carriers have the problem.
      Last edited by ott1; 07-23-2012, 12:33 PM.

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      • #4
        duc748bip
        Senior Member
        • Jul 2009
        • 1081

        Regarding the "heavybuffer" with the extended buffer that lock with the BCG. How do you break the rifle open? Or you had to pull both pin and try to separate upper and lower?

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        • #5
          tuna quesadilla
          Calguns Addict
          • Apr 2006
          • 5147

          I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that's a piston rifle...

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          • #6
            ott1
            Senior Member
            • Mar 2009
            • 1882

            Originally posted by duc748bip
            Regarding the "heavybuffer" with the extended buffer that lock with the BCG. How do you break the rifle open? Or you had to pull both pin and try to separate upper and lower?
            Pull both pins for disassembly. Assembly would require you to pin the pivot pin and use your finger to push in the buffer slightly so the upper can close.

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            • #7
              Toten Kopf
              Member
              • Feb 2008
              • 252

              Not to be ....

              But I have been shooting AR15's since 1968 and I have never seen all the difficulties with parts/assemblies that I have seen on this forum.

              All the AR15's/M4's and, Yes M16's, never have I seen such problems.

              All mine work from the first shot. Am I lucky???? I don't think so.

              I have had Colt, DPMS (which I don't like), Olympic Arms (who makes great barrels), Del-Ton and what ever. Never had any problems.

              I have one AR15, that has over (I mean well over) 10,000 rounds, never a failure. And it's on the old DPMS "CAST" receiver.

              Obviously, someone is doing something wrong...These rifles are easy, plug and play! Heck, you just put the parts together and you have a rifle. Nothing like the AK-47 which you actually have to make.

              What is causing this???? To be honest, I don't know. Maybe lack of skills/troubleshooting, I don't know.
              "It Takes A Strong Man To Be Kind", Sgt Nathan Wilson, 5th SFG (1970)

              WOLVERINES!

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              • #8
                tuna quesadilla
                Calguns Addict
                • Apr 2006
                • 5147

                Originally posted by Toten Kopf
                Not to be ....

                But I have been shooting AR15's since 1968 and I have never seen all the difficulties with parts/assemblies that I have seen on this forum.

                All the AR15's/M4's and, Yes M16's, never have I seen such problems.

                All mine work from the first shot. Am I lucky???? I don't think so.

                I have had Colt, DPMS (which I don't like), Olympic Arms (who makes great barrels), Del-Ton and what ever. Never had any problems.

                I have one AR15, that has over (I mean well over) 10,000 rounds, never a failure. And it's on the old DPMS "CAST" receiver.

                Obviously, someone is doing something wrong...These rifles are easy, plug and play! Heck, you just put the parts together and you have a rifle. Nothing like the AK-47 which you actually have to make.

                What is causing this???? To be honest, I don't know. Maybe lack of skills/troubleshooting, I don't know.
                A bunch of rookies ind this forum and say "OOOH! I can build my very own AR-15!" (this isn't aimed at anybody in particular). But these are people who have no business working on firearms.

                And people insist on using all kinds of gimmicky crap like piston rifles (which is why the OP is having the problem with his rifle, it seems.)

                Eugene Stoner was a genius. When you stick with his original design, you do not have any problems.

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                • #9
                  crazychinaman
                  Senior Member
                  • Feb 2011
                  • 1556

                  rifle

                  Is the rifle a factory build or built up rifle?Is it a piston ?.What caliber.?looks like you have to much gas and wrong buffer spring and buffer.I have several piston rifles and never have any problems with them,the oldest one has about 6 thousand rounds threw here.

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                  • #10
                    ott1
                    Senior Member
                    • Mar 2009
                    • 1882

                    Originally posted by tuna quesadilla
                    And people insist on using all kinds of gimmicky crap like piston rifles (which is why the OP is having the problem with his rifle, it seems.)
                    If it's gimmicky, why is the U.S. military moving towards piston rifles for all the soldiers?

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                    • #11
                      ott1
                      Senior Member
                      • Mar 2009
                      • 1882

                      Originally posted by crazychinaman
                      Is it a piston ?.What caliber.?looks like you have to much gas and wrong buffer spring and buffer.I have several piston rifles and never have any problems with them,the oldest one has about 6 thousand rounds threw here.
                      POF only makes piston rifles.

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                      • #12
                        tuna quesadilla
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Apr 2006
                        • 5147

                        Originally posted by ott1
                        If it's gimmicky, why is the U.S. military moving towards piston rifles for all the soldiers?
                        They're not.

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                        • #13
                          vikingm03
                          Member
                          • Jun 2010
                          • 209

                          Looks like you have a lot of carrier tilt, which eventually wore away enough of the buffer tube for the bolt carrier to come into contact with the buffer retainer? At least that's my guess

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                          • #14
                            xpbprox
                            Banned
                            • Oct 2010
                            • 936

                            The AR is a position rifle, just that with the DI it uses the BCG

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                            • #15
                              kendog4570
                              Calguns Addict
                              • Dec 2008
                              • 5180

                              Originally posted by ott1
                              If it's gimmicky, why is the U.S. military moving towards piston rifles for all the soldiers?
                              It's a solution for a problem that doesn't exist.
                              Some upper echelon jackwagon is cementing his career by instilling it, whether it makes sense, or not.

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