Slidefire Magazine at Local CA Gas Station

[gil671]

Someone was actually selling one on Craigslist here in San Diego awhile back.
Really surprised me.

[boamedt]

Well it would be nice if they end up being right (by some miracle) but I certainly would not want to be the test case.

They are probably trying to argue that the part is not a "multiburst trigger activator" because it doesn't actually touch the trigger. Problem with that is the legislature already thought of that (intentionally or not) see the bolded text below. They ban it by want it does, not how it does it.

12020 PC.
(a) Any person in this state who does any of the following is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year or in the state prison:
(1) Manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives, lends, or possesses any ......, any multiburst trigger activator,

(23) As used in this section, a "multiburst trigger activator" means one of the following devices:
(A) A device designed or redesigned to be attached to a semiautomatic firearm which allows the firearm to discharge two or more shots in a burst by activating the device.

(B) A manual or power-driven trigger activating device constructed and designed so that when attached to a semiautomatic firearm it increases the rate of fire of that firearm.

Yet they sell them in ca gun stores
And CA hasnt done nothing about it.i dont see how they can prosecute u for a product u bought in CA from a CA gun store. that sold it to u....seems it would b the person who sold it to u who should b prosecuted

[skyscraper]

That was in answer to the side conversation about convfronting the BLM land guy using one, not to the we should let Slidefire know post.

Ok I see.

[bobomb]

one could argue it is not the device that allows the discharge but the persons finger and what is the definition of a burst each shot is actuated by your finger depressing the trigger

[boamedt]

a burst is more than one shot per trigger pull........which the slide fire doesnt do, its still one shot per trigger pull

[Fractured]

one could argue it is not the device that allows the discharge but the persons finger and what is the definition of a burst each shot is actuated by your finger depressing the trigger

Shhhhhhh they will make fingers illegal!!!

[Dirtbiker]

Just playing devils advocate here, what about the huys that hold the MPA 380s to their bellys and bumpfire them, is their belly a multiburst trigger device?

Don't get me wrong no way I want to be a test case but it's not that different.

[winnre]

How about we just install the triggers used on paintball guns so we can have two fingers back and forth on the same trigger?

[shark92651]

It is unlawful for any person to own, possess, lend, manufacture, import, sell, or offer to sell any short-barreled shotgun or short-barreled rifle, any firearm that is not immediately recognizable as a firearm, any camouflaging firearm container, any cane or wallet gun, any undetectable firearm, any ammunition that contains or consists of a flechette dart, any bullet that contains or carries an explosive agent, any zip gun, any unconventional pistol, any multiburst trigger activatorA multiburst trigger activator means a device designed or redesigned to be attached to a semiautomatic firearm which allows the firearm to discharge two or more shots in a burst by activating the device, or a manual or power-driven trigger activating device constructed so that when attached to a semiautomatic firearm it increases the rate of fire of that firearm.

Your finger or belly does not meet the definition above. The Slidefire stock most certainly does. Yes there are people illegally selling these at gun shows in CA. If caught with it you most certainly could be prosecuted - doesn't matter that you bought it from someone else, it is in YOUR possession. Both the buyer and the seller could be prosecuted for this.

[Jeepers]

here is a copy of the email SF sent me about a year ago . i have to agree soneone sooner or later will end up in court over then seeing that that are coming out with bumpfire stocks for everything now it seems like ..

Dear Mr. None,

Thank you for your interest in Slide Fire Solutions.

The SSAR-15, by definition, is not an adjustable stock, nor does it qualify as a trigger manipulation device. It has been approved by the BATFE and we include that approval letter with your purchase. Slide Fire Solutions has not been notified by any state (including California) that our product conflicts with any laws. We did send them a stock months ago requesting approval but have not, and do not expect a response. It would cost any state an exceptional amount of money to test and respond to every product that comes onto the market, and that is something that more than just California is short on right now.

The SSAR-15 is not classified as a "trigger manipulation device" as it does not allow for more than one round to be fired per trigger pull. For EVERY round fired the trigger must be manually operated and the person firing the rifle can choose to stop pulling the trigger at any time. The SSAR also does nothing to increase the rate of fire inherent in the firearm. The rate of fire of any semi-automatic firearm is only limited by the speed in which one can pull the trigger.
Here's a link from the NRA that can empower prospective customers to know the laws of their state: http://www.nraila.org/GunLaws/. It is ultimately the responsibility of consumers to know the current and changing/updated laws of their state.The best place for legal advice is not always on an internet blog, and if you are ever in doubt, please contact your State Department of Justice!
Feel free to contact me again with any more concerns.

Thank you,
Chris
SFS Customer Service

"It's not just a stock ... it's the Slide Fire Solution!!!"

[boamedt]

one could argue it is not the device that allows the discharge but the persons finger and what is the definition of a burst each shot is actuated by your finger depressing the trigger

Yes because bumpfiring without the device has the same effect as bumpfiring with device, so rate of fire does not increase more with the device, its the same, nor does the device create "burstfire" which is more than one shot per trigger pull......so yes it is ur finger that is doing it.....not the "device"

[shark92651]

Yes because bumpfiring without the device has the same effect as bumpfiring with device, so rate of fire does not increase more with the device, its the same, nor does the device create "burstfire" which is more than one shot per trigger pull......so yes it is ur finger that is doing it.....not the "device"

Can you put your cheek on the stock of your AR and bump fire it while aiming down the sights? I certainly wouldn't want to be defending myself in court with the argument that the device doesn't activate the trigger, but rather my finger does. It certainly appears to increase the rate of fire, at least to a prosecutor it does. Where is the definition of "burstfire" that you are referring to? I would love for this item to be legal in CA, looks like a lot of fun, albeit at the cost of a lot of ammo, but it's too risky at this point for me to consider it.

[Don the savage]

Ive also seen these for sale in a certain sgv gun shop, with a video running showing the slide fire in action. Of course the same shop was selling a beretta bm59 as a "garand tanker" so i really dont think they care.

[MXRider]

Can you put your cheek on the stock of your AR and bump fire it while aiming down the sights? I certainly wouldn't want to be defending myself in court with the argument that the device doesn't activate the trigger, but rather my finger does. It certainly appears to increase the rate of fire, at least to a prosecutor it does. Where is the definition of "burstfire" that you are referring to? I would love for this item to be legal in CA, looks like a lot of fun, albeit at the cost of a lot of ammo, but it's too risky at this point for me to consider it.

Yes you can. See video:



I personally don't see how the slidfire is a "multiburst trigger activator" in any way. Has nothing to do with the trigger at all.

[shark92651]

Yes you can. See video:

Try it off-hand while walking around The Slidefire makes it trivial to bumpfire.