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[osxar]

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[Baconator]

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=548708&highlight=saiga

[Bobby Ricigliano]

It is my understanding that if you have a featureless, unconverted Saiga and legally owned/possessed hi cap magazines you are 100% legal.

[Bobby Ricigliano]

Although naturally standard AK mags will not fit a stock Saiga.

[rromeo]

That understanding is incorrect. Federal law is at play here, not California.

[Baconator]

It is my understanding that if you have a featureless, unconverted Saiga and legally owned/possessed hi cap magazines you are 100% legal.

That understanding is incorrect. Federal law is at play here, not California.

Correct. 922r is your enemy using >10 round magazines in a Saiga.

[osxar]

So if I convert to use old import AK mag and want to keep featureless what and how many parts would I have to have from US?

[osxar]

Another words which parts to most people change to keep imported parts under 10? I don't want to have to use a BB

[osxar]

Or do you think maybe more cost effective to go with US made featureless AK instead?

[MakeYaBootyBurn]

Another words which parts to most people change to keep imported parts under 10? I don't want to have to use a BB

You can change the piston the forward grip remove the standard stock use a stock & pistol grip combo (wrap the pistol grip) and US MADE saiga mags.... That's w/o doing a full conversion... Or you can do the conversion & wrap ur grip

[Bobby Ricigliano]

So what is the issue with an unconverted, stock Saiga with say, Promag 30 rd Saiga mags, presuming the mags are lawfully obtained and possessed?

[gotshotgun?]

Federal law requires all arms imported to be sporting. More that 10 rounds makes it unsporting so you have to add a certain number of us made parts so that this law doesn't apply.

[osxar]

Its just that I already own pre ban AK mags so I thought I need to do conversion.

[Jayruta]

No its not the more than 10 rounds that triggers 922r standard ak mags do not fit saigas because you need to install a bullet guide in order for standard mags to work. The bullet guide triggers the 922r. I believe a standard saiga has 14 imported parts. 922r states that you may not have over 10 imported parts. So you would need to change out 4 things (stock,forearm,piston,1 mag part) However i do not recommed doing the mag parts because if you use someone elses other foreign ak mag, you have created an AW under federal law. Also threading a saiga barrel creates another 922r part which would mean you would need an additional US part. Hope this kinda clears it up.

[Jayruta]

Same goes with a pistol grip aswell +1 another us part. So putting both a treaded barrel for muzzle device and pistol grip would essentally put you at 16 which is a standard AK, which you may aswell do a full conversion because the standard saiga trigger pull is garbage.