AR for California Grand Daughter?

[anyracoon]

I'm in a free state now, but In the process of building a Cal Legal AR-15 for Grand daughter.
As I understand it now Bullet buttoms are a big legal No-No.
What is the best route to take now?

[jarhead714]

Compmag for an AR. About $85.

[Capybara]

CompMag or Featureless, CompMag is probably easier to set up but she'll be restricted to 10 round mags. If she has any Freedom week 30 round standard cap mags, cannot be used in a fixed mag AR. Featureless would be a grip fin or compliant grip, no flash hider, no VFG and fixed stock.

[MajorSideburns]

Featureless is the best option from a legal standpoint in my opinion. No flash hider, no pistol grip, no forward vertical grips, and a fixed stock without thumbholes. Follow the flow chart: https://www.calguns.net/forum/genera...-aw-flow-chart

Something like the A2 fixed stock with a monsterman grip and an upper without a muzzle device would be my preference. The monsterman has already been confirmed through case law to not be a pistol grip, the CA DOJ had to admit it was not a pistol grip in court testimony. And without any muzzle device there is no ambiguity or points of contention to be made on whether it is a "muzzle brake" or "flash hider" by uninformed or over zealous government employees. Manipulating the safety and holding the rifle can be awkward but it also would give her the freedom to use any legal standard capacity magazines she might own. I would recommend an ambidextrous safety so the index finger or thumb can maniplate the safety without having to completely readjust the shooter's grip. If her hands are small the fin grip will probably be too awkward to use though. A thumb rest can help a lot but it might be better to look at a traditional rifle shape like the Mini-14.


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[MajorSideburns]

CompMag or Featureless, CompMag is probably easier to set up but she'll be restricted to 10 round mags. If she has any Freedom week 30 round standard cap mags, cannot be used in a fixed mag AR. Featureless would be a grip fin or compliant grip, no flash hider, no VFG and fixed stock.

It's not just that she'll be restricted to 10 round mags. She will be restricted to only a single 10 round mag, the CompMag. And that 10 round mag requires pulling back the spring, dropping in single bullets 1 at a time to load, then releasing spring and closing the little trap door. It's acceptable for casual target range use to comply with the illegal laws of this state but this is not a system I would rely on for self defense. Removing the magazine requires opening the upper and sticking a small allen key into a tiny lock hole. Not something you can do when your life depends on clearing a malfunction.

[MajorSideburns]

I'm in a free state now, but In the process of building a Cal Legal AR-15 for Grand daughter.
As I understand it now Bullet buttoms are a big legal No-No.
What is the best route to take now?

What is her intended use? Is this just a range toy for target practice and learning? Or is it a self defense tool for her home? If the former, then the CompMag solution seems acceptable. If the latter, then I would suggest something which retains the capabilities to remove magazines to clear malfunctions or reload rapidly. Is she already familiar with the AR platform? If she doesn't already have experience and accessories for the AR style rifle I might suggest looking into the Mini-14:

https://www.sportsmans.com/shooting-gear-gun-supplies/rifles/ruger-mini-14-ranch-556mm-nato-185in-blued-semi-automatic-modern-sporting-rifle-51-rounds/p/1116518

There is also a company called Fightlite that makes an AR lower which is "featureless" in California since it has a traditional monte carlo style hunting stock. It has a modified curved buffer system that allows it to have the traditional stock shape. It can pair with any upper and they also sell complete rifles. You might want to look into that as an alternative too. They aren't cheap though. https://fightlite.com/rifles/scr

Kel-Tec also makes a rifle called the RBD which is California legal and featureless and takes standard AR magazines. https://www.preppergunshop.com/kel-t...rnia-compliant

[jarhead714]

The solution to the Compmag in a home defense situation is pretty straightforward and it don’t take much of an imagination to figure it out.

[Capybara]

It's not just that she'll be restricted to 10 round mags. She will be restricted to only a single 10 round mag, the CompMag. And that 10 round mag requires pulling back the spring, dropping in single bullets 1 at a time to load, then releasing spring and closing the little trap door. It's acceptable for casual target range use to comply with the illegal laws of this state but this is not a system I would rely on for self defense. Removing the magazine requires opening the upper and sticking a small allen key into a tiny lock hole. Not something you can do when your life depends on clearing a malfunction.

Yep, I have one on my AR pistol. It works well for what it is but it shouldn't exist because our laws are tyrannical. So its a tyranny compliance device. They could change the name of the device to the TyrannyMag but probably not as marketable.

[anyracoon]

This going to be for target shooting. If I use the CompMag, would I be allowed to use a standard AR pitol grip?
I bought a set of pink furniture for it.

[jarhead714]

This going to be for target shooting. If I use the CompMag, would I be allowed to use a standard AR pitol grip?
I bought a set of pink furniture for it.

With the CompMag it’s any-ting you won.

[echo1]

SKS, just sayin, PAX

[xblax619]

yes, using the compmag allows u to use all the “evil” features.

[Sailormilan2]

I’m not a fan of “fixed” magazine devices, nor “fin” grips. Though I do have a couple of the “fin” grips.
I prefer the Thordsen stocks. To me, the Gen III stocks look better, than the Gen II. But my boys prefer the Gen II.
The nice thing about the Gen III is the ability to lengthen, or shorten, the length of pull.

https://imgur.com/a/BeQCRpx

[k1dude]

If it were me I'd get her a Fightlite SCR or the Foxtrot Mike Ranch Rifle instead of a neutered AR. Both are basically an AR in how they operate, so if your granddaughter ever moves to a free state she will be fully trained to use a standard AR. You don't have to mess with any of the CA compliant ridiculousness.

[Reno-Kid]

The solution to the Compmag in a home defense situation is pretty straightforward and it don’t take much of an imagination to figure it out.

Problem as rounds don't load easily and fall out of place.