KelTec SU16ca in .223

[Justang]

Another vote for the SU16CA. It is really easy to handle and very accurate. I've added the compact foreend and sling kit. Looks great and works well in 3 gun matches.

i've been having problems with failure to exstracts which is apprently common. A replacement exstractor is supposed to fix the problem and I'm waiting on one from keltec now. Customer service is excellent from that company.

You might take a look at the mini-14. It is not as accurate, in my experiance, but is not as terrible as some have warned me. I find it a very reliable design if you have factory mags. It is next but one on my list (M1A next).

spell check buddy.

Yes there are failure to extracts, and they can be common. I have read reports of the extractor failing after thousands of rounds in one day. It's a good gun... but it's no AR. Great backpacking rifle!

Mini14 is a good gun. I don't particularly think the action is the best for the .223 cal. But that's my opinion. I think the SU16 is a better action. Heck, in some respects I like the SU16 action better than the AR...the SU doesn't crap where it eats.

[Charliegone]

Heey! Watts wrong wiht a little missspelling?

[Justang]

Heey! Watts wrong wiht a little missspelling?

nuting at al.

[11Z50]

I have a B-model and I like it better than the Mini-14 I tinkered with for a couple years. I just shot it today, and I finally got the BSA red dot zeroed. Shoots well now. Very few malfunctions, just about as reliable as an AR. The use of the M-16 mags I had stashed is very cool. The SU grows on you, and if you use it for what it is, a lightweight carbine, you'll enjoy it. It 'aint a battle rifle and isn't intended to be.

[Justang]

It 'aint a battle rifle and isn't intended to be.

Exactly. Couldn't have said it better. I think many people try to judge it as a battle rifle when it, clearly, is not.

[11Z50]

Indeed.....

When you compare the M-14 to the M-4 you have a very similar situation. One is a robust, powerful "battle rifle" that when all else fails you can club your opponent to death with. Compared to the M-14, the M-4 is plastic, fragile, and frequently jams when dirty. Sound familiar?

Having used the M-14, the M16 family and the SU-16B, I see the SU as a viable lightweight carbine for general recreational use, and in a pinch, a decent self-defense (SHTF?) weapon. Sure, if I had one available, it's hard to beat an M-4. But a SU-16 in hand is better than a neutered M-4 any day.

[rodgster]

My opinion

My opinion, I don't own one and probably never will, it feels flimsy. And I don't even want to start talking about the crimped on barrel.

I'd be afraid to fire the damn thing. I've had a KaBOOM happen to me (not that gun).

[HK_Fan]

Indeed.....

But a SU-16 in hand is better than a neutered M-4 any day.

Indeed!!!


Rob

[shopkeep]

The one thing about the SU16 is that it takes AR mags and can have them detatch. That right there, until this whole lower thing blows over, is worth the price.

I don't suppose you've seen the videos of the SRB in the rifleman's forum. Many are beginning to fabricate grip replacements for AR-15 pattern rifles built on off list lowers. These rifles not only feature the use of detachable magazines but have superior accuracy and availability of parts to the Kel-Tech.

As time goes on, the grip replacements and ingenuity that goes into off-list builds will continue to produce rifles superior to the Kel-Tech. I'd invest into an off-list lower if I were you. As things stand now the Kel-Tech will be with us for some time but there are indications from the DOJ that the off-list lowers will become "Assault Weapons" soon in some form or another.

[Justang]

But a SU-16 in hand is better than a neutered M-4 any day.

Ha. You can't be serious.

[11Z50]

Here's the deal. The whole "off list" lower fiasco is a pipe dream that at best will give you a registered AW. At worst, you have an expensive paperweight, if you don't wind up in jail. When the AW ban took effect, I sold my collection after making a logical decision to obey the law, even if I disagreed with it.

I also made the decision that I would rather dispsose of my legally-acquired AW collection rather than submit to registration. That is why buying a lower, to wind up with a registered AW makes no sense to me.

Getting back to the original question, ie SU-16 v AR, I would rather own a legal SU-16 that requires no AW registration than own 100 "lowers" that MAY someday be registered as an AW. Is the AR-series superior to the SU-16? Yes, in almost every way. Is the SU-16 much more compliant with the law? Yes in almost every way. Unless you plan on walking the streets of Fallujah, a SU-16 will meet your needs. Until the laws are changed, it is better to remain legal. I will happily support Ben and the rest that challenge the status quo.

As for the SRB, yes, I have seen it, and I think it's absurd. It is very transparent as to what the real intent is. Nobody that has ever shot an AR for real would see the SRB as a viable option.

The most alarming thing I see here is why all the clamour to own an AW? Clearly, there are people who I have seen that have no business owning one. I will wholeheartedly agree that we should be free to exercise our 2A rights, and also just as clearly our 2A rights are being violated here in the PRK. Of the thousands of lowers that have been purchased here in the PRK, at least one will be made into an illegal AW, and that's what the anti's are waiting for. This will do our cause much more harm than good.

[Justang]

Here's the deal. The whole "off list" lower fiasco is a pipe dream that at best will give you a registered AW. at worst, you have an expensive paperweight. When the AW ban took effect, I sold my collection after making a logical decision to obey the law, even if I disagreed with it.

I also made the decision that I would rather dispsose of my legally-acquired AW collection rather than submit to registration. That is why buying a lower, to wind up with a registered AW makes no sense to me.

Getting back to the original question, ie SU-16 v AR, I would rather own a legal SU-16 that requires no AW registration that own 100 "lowers" that MAY someday be registered as an AW. Is the AR-series superior to the SU-16? Yes, in almost every way. Is the SU-16 much more compliant with the law? Yes in almost every way. Unless you plan on walking the streets of Fallujah, a SU-16 will meet your needs. Until the laws are changed, it is better to remain legal. I will happily support Ben and the rest that challenge the status quo.

The most alarming thing I see here is why all the clamour to own an AW? Clearly, there are people who I have seen that have no business owning one. I will wholeheartedly agree that we should be free to exercise our 2A rights, and also just as clearly our 2A rights are being violated here in the PRK. Of the thousands of lowers that have been purchased here in the PRK, at least one will be made into an illegal AW, and that's what the anti's are waiting for. This will do our cause much more harm than good.

At worst, we have fixed mag AR. Best, we have a normal AR.

Obey the law? We should obey the law at all times. But having a registered "AW" is legal. Have an off list lower, is legal.

To some of us, registering is not a big deal.

And a fixed mag AR in Cali can be taken out of Cali and made to be a normal AR. And that's my entire take on this. I want something that I can take to free states and shoot. I have many friends out of state that I shoot with. It'd be nice to have a decent gun. Those guys always point and laugh at my SU. j/k. lol.

[11Z50]

If your friends laugh at your SU maybe you need new friends.

The whole issue is this: Of the currently legal alternatives, is the SU-16 a good choice? I'd have to say yes. Better than the Mini-14. Better than a 10-round neutered AR.

[shopkeep]

Here's the deal. The whole "off list" lower fiasco is a pipe dream that at best will give you a registered AW. At worst, you have an expensive paperweight, if you don't wind up in jail. When the AW ban took effect, I sold my collection after making a logical decision to obey the law, even if I disagreed with it.

I also made the decision that I would rather dispsose of my legally-acquired AW collection rather than submit to registration. That is why buying a lower, to wind up with a registered AW makes no sense to me.

Getting back to the original question, ie SU-16 v AR, I would rather own a legal SU-16 that requires no AW registration than own 100 "lowers" that MAY someday be registered as an AW. Is the AR-series superior to the SU-16? Yes, in almost every way. Is the SU-16 much more compliant with the law? Yes in almost every way. Unless you plan on walking the streets of Fallujah, a SU-16 will meet your needs. Until the laws are changed, it is better to remain legal. I will happily support Ben and the rest that challenge the status quo.

As for the SRB, yes, I have seen it, and I think it's absurd. It is very transparent as to what the real intent is. Nobody that has ever shot an AR for real would see the SRB as a viable option.

The most alarming thing I see here is why all the clamour to own an AW? Clearly, there are people who I have seen that have no business owning one. I will wholeheartedly agree that we should be free to exercise our 2A rights, and also just as clearly our 2A rights are being violated here in the PRK. Of the thousands of lowers that have been purchased here in the PRK, at least one will be made into an illegal AW, and that's what the anti's are waiting for. This will do our cause much more harm than good.

I also sold off my "Assault Weapons" rather than register them back in 1999. Result: I get to watch everyone who registered enjoy them every weekend at the public ranges. There was never any confiscation and the only thing registration lets you do is keep your property. Worst case scenario they confiscate in which case my property is headed out of the state before they ever knock on my door.

I've already got registered handguns and I'm sure if they wanted to grab guns they'll go for those as well anyhow. Who knows how this whole thing is going to end up. All I know is that I'm sick and tired of the bullcrap the state continues to force on me. Even if all I do is piss off the state by buying lowers, I got my money's worth!

[Justang]

If your friends laugh at your SU maybe you need new friends.

The whole issue is this: Of the currently legal alternatives, is the SU-16 a good choice? I'd have to say yes. Better than the Mini-14. Better than a 10-round neutered AR.

It was a joke. sarcasm. hence the lol and j/k.

That's your opinion.

you're way to serious for 1am on saturday.