Kel-tec blew up at Angeles today.

[Sam Hainn]

its not a wrong question, all of these kbs seem to revolve around .223 cal

It might have more to do with .223 being the most popular rifle cartridge, so it's a ratio thing. KBs happen for many cartridges, but if 10,000 people are shooting .223, and 50 people are shooting .257 Roberts, when a KB happens, which is more the chance it's .223? Kind of like saying red cars get more tickets than beige cars, but it also just happens that more sports cars, muscle cars, hot rods, and other fast cars owned by people that also like to drive fast, are more likely painted red than beige.

My 2 Kel-Tecs in .223 both have several hundred rounds through them. One I used Wolf for about the first 500 rounds with no issues! No FTF, jams, or feed issues. These 2 guns have never malfunctioned in any way. But Kel-Tec now instructs in their manuals to not use Wolf ammo - so I stopped. For a gun manufacturer to specify, there's good reason and I tend to follow instructions when it comes to guns.

[p99shooter]

i was shooting right next to him when this happend what happend was he was using pmc ammo and the rifle was firing great then he started to say for some reason the rifle was kicking alittle harder that normal so he kept firing it

Knowing something is strange with your weaon, then to continue firing it . . .

I own a Kel-Tec and it has been great for me. At the risk of causing more KT bashing, there is a possible explanation for this other than bad ammo. Early generations of the SU's had problems with the operating rod unthreading from the bolt carrier. This effectively lengthens the carrier group, which starts banging against the back of the carrier. That could have caused the increased recoil prior to the kaboom. It could also cause the rifle to not come into battery properly, but I don't know how it could have led to a split case.

Newer versions have the operating rod staked to the bolt carrier so it cannot loosen. I have the CA version, and it has run really well, as have the SUs of people I shoot with.

[jandmtv]

It might have more to do with .223 being the most popular rifle cartridge, so it's a ratio thing. KBs happen for many cartridges, but if 10,000 people are shooting .223, and 50 people are shooting .257 Roberts, when a KB happens, which is more the chance it's .223? Kind of like saying red cars get more tickets than beige cars, but it also just happens that more sports cars, muscle cars, hot rods, and other fast cars owned by people that also like to drive fast, are more likely painted red than beige.

you could be right about the ratio thing, but still cant help but think that there could be a design flaw with the .223 cartridge. like the thinner walls it has vs the 5.56 nato round. just a thought in my head, nothing more.

Edit: when i went to the range a couple of days ago to test out my new shotgun, there were 2 cops there taking a report about that kb and about the guy that got hurt, i overheard the last 10 seconds of the conversation. but no details. i got there and like 15 seconds later the cops finished and walked out.

[Paradiddle]

Knowing something is strange with your weaon, then to continue firing it . . .

I own a Kel-Tec and it has been great for me. At the risk of causing more KT bashing, there is a possible explanation for this other than bad ammo. Early generations of the SU's had problems with the operating rod unthreading from the bolt carrier. This effectively lengthens the carrier group, which starts banging against the back of the carrier. That could have caused the increased recoil prior to the kaboom. It could also cause the rifle to not come into battery properly, but I don't know how it could have led to a split case.

Newer versions have the operating rod staked to the bolt carrier so it cannot loosen. I have the CA version, and it has run really well, as have the SUs of people I shoot with.

This happened with my friends SU and after he and I spoke we both surmise this is the "strange" feel he felt before it all went bad - the carrier group smacking the back of the receiver and potentially damaging it.