SCAR for the Army!

[MrPlink]

Ok, so I know the idea of replacing the M4 for the Army is nothing new, but I just thought I would share FN's latest entry into the carbine program, which is a slight variation of the SCAR-L.


Biggest difference (enter the ACR crowd ) is this version does NOT have a reciprocating charging handle, as required by the Army. Outside of that for those familiar with the SCAR platform the differences should be obvious, different backup sight configuration and the upper receiver is lacking a few of the vents.
You can read the full article on the firearm blog here:

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2012/02/20/fnac-fn-advanced-carbine/

And in related news (no pix or links) a good buddy of mine who is a retired "operator" but still works in the "community" told me as of late he has seen a surge of a lot of the CAG guys training with the SCAR platform as well

[cntrolsguy]

[Subotai]

Why don't we look at the Mexican Fire Serpent, seems like a good weapon to me? We could build them here under license.

[resident-shooter]

AK 47 is forever the best and should be adopted.

[MrPlink]

Why don't we look at the Mexican Fire Serpent, seems like a good weapon to me? We could build them here under license.

the FX5? Isnt that thing just a G36 knock off?

AK 47 is forever the best and should be adopted.

eh, maybe the AKM or AK74

[tuna quesadilla]

What does that do that an M4 (or for that matter a modernized AK, or a G36, or an HK93, etc etc..) doesn't? This strikes me as a step to the side, not to the front. o_O

[Zippiot]

AK 47 is forever the best and should be adopted.

Even Russia stopped using AK's

[alfred1222]

Even Russia stopped using AK's

THIS!!!! finally someone said it. and i full believe that the ACR dominates

[HK Dave]

Even Russia stopped using AK's

LOL agreed with the...

[bender152]

It'll be interesting to see how they get around the reciprocating charging handle.

[Revolver Ocelot]

Even Russia stopped using AK's

I could have sworn the 74M was still the standard issue rifle.

[Zippiot]

Be honest, how many of you have actually carried a rifle into combat?
Now of those that dragged an M16/4 249 etc etc around a desert or mtn for a year, was it really that bad?
My old M4 weighed nothing compared to what I have to carry now, and it was solid metal!

I love ACR's, SCAR's, the lot... and one day they will fix some minor issues with our M4's.

But the fact of the matter is it will and is much cheaper for the Army, Marines and the entire DoD to upgrade M4's into venerable platforms comparable to SCAR's etc for less than 10% the price of a new rifle.

Think about all that goes into a new weapons system
-you need to retrain with the weapon (goes well beyond just range time these days)
-you need tech's to fix them
-supplies for maintenance and care
-update the NSN system and figure out distribution
-prove over a long period that it is vastly superior to justify project costs

And Im sorry but for the avg infantry soldier getting a brand new SCAR isnt gonna happen before the end of my contract...

On top of all this the Army just bought another batch of M9's because they figure by the time they can implement a new pistol our M9's would have dissolved from stress...

[Zippiot]

I could have sworn the 74M was still the standard issue rifle.

they still have them but have been looking for a replacement and were quoted saying something like: the next design we choose will be entirely new, showing little resemblance to the ak-series (I think he said 101 in the article)

[J.S.Riesch]

what is CAG?

[MrPlink]

What does that do that an M4 (or for that matter a modernized AK, or a G36, or an HK93, etc etc..) doesn't? This strikes me as a step to the side, not to the front. o_O

Im fairly sure this is a rhetorical question, but for those who may not know here goes:

(and guys dont get me wrong, Ive got AKs and ARs, and like them just fine..)

Without fueling the flames too much: over the M4: 1 it is a piston system. Ambi controls, with a folding and collapsing stock. A feature this version may not have, which would probably be lost on big Army anyways is the easily changed barrel (which holds ZERO).

Better precision than a AK, lighter as well as one that is all tacticooled
Nevermind the political and logistic impossibility of the USA adopting the AK on a large scale level. Only way something like that might ever happen is if it gets dressed up and we pretend it is something different, ala Galil.

G36, I cant really speak to, but who here can? What is the closest any of us here would have? A hacked up SL8?

HK9 patterns rank among my all time favorites, but practically speaking they are old, heavy and outdated.

Even Russia stopped using AK's

nothing could be further from the truth, if you are going to site the Nikinov I recommend not getting your firearm info from video games.