SKS CA legal? "MADE IN CHINA BY NORINCO KSI POMONA CA"

[SP1200]

NORINCO SKS purchased in CA in 2002, now on list? or not?

So I was at my uncles cabin yesterday and he showed my his norinco sks that be got at a gun dealer in 2002...I swear I specifically seen "Norinco SKS" on the R.R. list be he argued with me "how could have I got it the 2002 then" and I really didn't have any answer.

He got this rifle from a legit gun dealer in 2002 with a wooden stock... He has some preban mags he got for all guns before the ban...is it ok for him to use this sks with a 30 round pre ban mag..Is he ok, or should I tell him it get rid of it? He's totally down to do what ever he has to be the be legal, as he has plenty of rifles...

[thedrickel]

It is an SKS with detachable mag, a Category 1 AW. He can return it to original configuration so it only takes a fixed 10rd mag, or have an attorney surrender it to a PD. If I were you I would just claim it from him.

See penal code section 12276(a)(11)

or the DOJ AW ID Guide (hopelessly out of date but still applicable in this situation):

http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/...c452/2/hilite/ (page 29)

Have this thread deleted ASAP.

[SP1200]

humm... How is a stock sks with no evil features not allowed to have a hi cap pre ban such as an ruger 10/22 or any other non evil feature riffle?

he has a fixed 10 round mag to go with it, but he said he didn't have ot use it because the sks has no evil features....

[bwiese]

Please ensure any SKS rifle has a fixed magazine, and that that fixed magazine holds only 10 rounds.

If the dealer sold it to him that way, the dealer's in the wrong. (That can help mitigate criminal liability, however.) And if hicap mags were sold or acquired after 2000, that's a no-no too.

The "SKS with detachable magazine" has been a banned AW since 1989 Roberti-Roos act - regardless of later 2000 SB23 generic features ban.

The configured suite of 'evil features' (or lack thereof) doesn't count here for this gun, it was banned in a unique fashion.

If it's an SKS rifle, it simply can't have a detachable magazine. Also, the fixed magazine must hold 10 rounds or less. [However, the colloquial "Yugo SKS" is really a Simonov-pattern Zastava Model 59 or 59/66 and is legally not considerable as an SKS. The similar Albanian Simonov-pattern rifle is also not an SKS either.]

This SKS with detachable magazine, along with the Beretta/Springfield BM59, are the few 'ordinary' rifles (if such a separation can be made) that are banned by Roberti-Roos. The "SKS with detachable magazine" is also an oddball in another way, because it's the only one on the original Roberti-Roos list that is banned by a certain 'feature' in combination with a type.

Most SB23 issues are somewhat moot with "SKS with detachable magazine" guns since whether or not there's a flash hider or pistol grip on it, it's still a listed AW. The real issue that comes into play is if an SKS has a fixed magazine, but the fixed magazine holds over 10 rounds (as offered by common 15- or 20-round replacement fixed magazines): that becomes an AW by an alternate definition (PC 12276.1(a)(2)).

There may be a defense in that "SKS" in "SKS with detachable magazine" ends up describing a 'series' of a variety of models that really should require separate formal listing, but that's a damned big (though winnable) legal fight for a $175 surplus rifle.

The regulatory code echo of the 12276PC Roberti-Roos list, contained 11 CCR 5495, says "Norinco SKS with detachable magazine", which is a brand restriction that reduces scope of law and which is unwarranted - *any* gun whose model is SKS and which has a detachable magazine is covered by law, DOJ restricted it- which they can't. (I believe the original intent, likely irrelevant, was to ban just "SKS-D" models that took AK47 magazines, but that's really irrelevant given the original entry in Roberti-Roos, and would even apply to modified SKS models taking 'duckbill' detachable magazines.)

[SP1200]

wow. ok so legal only with fixed mag. thanks and ill pass it on.

[SP1200]

also what would be some stock options for him?
Are the fiberforce stocks legal?

[bwiese]

Pass it on to him *NOW*, OK? Wake him up.

You've already 'outed' him, there's no anonymity on the internet. Your identity can be found in about 2hrs max, and then on to pops.

also what would be some stock options for him?
Are the fiberforce stocks legal?

In CA, these would be considered thumbhole stocks. As far as CA goes, these could be put on an SKS if it has the 10rd fixed magazine.

However, you might run into Federal 922(r) violations depending on the nature of the SKS.

Frankly, such stocks are a joke. The SKS is a far better rifle just left alone.