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  • #31
    Cuerno_de_Chivo
    Senior Member
    • May 2011
    • 1270

    Originally posted by hemiguy55
    what do u mean featureless?
    Featureless means i can switch my pistol grip for a monsterman grip or such which is not classified as a pistol grip therefore i don't have to have a bullet button on it. So the mag release would be normal and i would not need a tool to take out the mag. With the 23 its not possible to do this because the mag lock is permanent because it's cut in half.
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    • #32
      Fern
      Senior Member
      • Feb 2011
      • 1203

      Pics for featureless at the bottom of the page...

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      • #33
        nicoroshi
        www.Buildyourownak.info
        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
        • Jan 2009
        • 3696

        The PSL is one of the many AK variants. It shoots a larger ammo than the AK47 (7.62x39) or AK74 (5.45x39) variants.
        So 'No' an AK47 or AK74 cannot be converted to be a PSL due to differences in ammo.

        Featureless rifle refers to SB23.
        If the rifle doesn't have any of the so called 'evil features' of SB23 then it does not require a mag lock.

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        • #34
          zfields
          CGN Contributor
          • Aug 2010
          • 13658

          OP check out the flow chart on top of the forum page.

          Featureless pretty much means you can use preban 30 round mags, and / or drop mags without using a bullet button.


          Here was mine while in CA

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          • #35
            hemiguy55
            STUD MUFFIN
            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
            • Nov 2011
            • 825

            Originally posted by IntoForever
            I'd avoid an IO as posted above! I finally saw one at a shop and was able to release the magazine through the 'magazine lock' with my finger. This one appeared to have the rivets properly set but that would show after firing a few times. The front sight post was AFU as well. Nothing is really wrong with a Saiga, just handle it and see if it's what you want. If you're in SoCal, come out to the Super Secret Zombie Shoot and I'll let you check out my Saiga and other AKs.
            man i would love to come and check out your collection but im in nor cal (the cooler side of cali ). i live in san bruno (down the street from that monster pge pipeline explosion over a year ago!!) which is like 20 mins away from san fran. do u have any pics? what is your personal favorite?
            Originally posted by starsnuffer
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            • #36
              hemiguy55
              STUD MUFFIN
              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
              • Nov 2011
              • 825

              Originally posted by zfields
              OP check out the flow chart on top of the forum page.

              Featureless pretty much means you can use preban 30 round mags, and / or drop mags without using a bullet button.


              Here was mine while in CA

              so in your pic in your post your grip is not a pistol grip? which allows u to not have to have a bullet button? or was this gun made before they made this law about grips and bullet buttons? very nice gun btw.
              Originally posted by starsnuffer
              Taking legal advice from a gun store owner or employee is like taking dietary advice at the McDonald's drive through. Just don't.

              -W

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              • #37
                zfields
                CGN Contributor
                • Aug 2010
                • 13658

                The grip fin eliminates the pistol grip, and its a 74' style muzzle brake, so no evil features.
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                • #38
                  hemiguy55
                  STUD MUFFIN
                  CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                  • Nov 2011
                  • 825

                  thanks everyone for all your input guys and explaining everything btw. its much appreciated.
                  Originally posted by starsnuffer
                  Taking legal advice from a gun store owner or employee is like taking dietary advice at the McDonald's drive through. Just don't.

                  -W

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                  • #39
                    hemiguy55
                    STUD MUFFIN
                    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                    • Nov 2011
                    • 825

                    Originally posted by zfields
                    OP check out the flow chart on top of the forum page.

                    Featureless pretty much means you can use preban 30 round mags, and / or drop mags without using a bullet button.


                    Here was mine while in CA

                    oh yea and what feature allowed you to use 30 round mags? which brings up another question... i see a lot of people who are selling stuff on here and they include 30 round mag rebuild kits... is this a way around buying a 30 round mag?
                    Originally posted by starsnuffer
                    Taking legal advice from a gun store owner or employee is like taking dietary advice at the McDonald's drive through. Just don't.

                    -W

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                    • #40
                      zfields
                      CGN Contributor
                      • Aug 2010
                      • 13658

                      Originally posted by hemiguy55
                      oh yea and what feature allowed you to use 30 round mags? which brings up another question... i see a lot of people who are selling stuff on here and they include 30 round mag rebuild kits... is this a way around buying a 30 round mag?
                      The -lack- of features are what allowed me to not use a bullet button. Without a bullet button there is no mag capacity limit. And as long as you have a Standard cap mag prior to the ban, you are gtg to use them in a non BB'd rifle.


                      Its illegal to sell, manufacture, or import standard cap mags. So people sell them as kits, but you cant put them together in CA. A lot of people use them when they are outside of CA, but you have to disassemble them before bringing them back into the state.


                      Read up on it, there's a few stickies. Im a bit out of it, so I may not be perfectly accurate on it right now.
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                      • #41
                        hemiguy55
                        STUD MUFFIN
                        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                        • Nov 2011
                        • 825

                        Originally posted by zfields
                        The -lack- of features are what allowed me to not use a bullet button. Without a bullet button there is no mag capacity limit. And as long as you have a Standard cap mag prior to the ban, you are gtg to use them in a non BB'd rifle.


                        Its illegal to sell, manufacture, or import standard cap mags. So people sell them as kits, but you cant put them together in CA. A lot of people use them when they are outside of CA, but you have to disassemble them before bringing them back into the state.


                        Read up on it, there's a few stickies. Im a bit out of it, so I may not be perfectly accurate on it right now.
                        im pretty sure im pickn up what your puttin down. i understand the whole rebuild mag part and why its done and as for the -lack- of features your talkin about, its because you have that special grip and special muzzle break that allows you to have the gun set up the way it is right?
                        Originally posted by starsnuffer
                        Taking legal advice from a gun store owner or employee is like taking dietary advice at the McDonald's drive through. Just don't.

                        -W

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                        • #42
                          hemiguy55
                          STUD MUFFIN
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                          • Nov 2011
                          • 825

                          and when you say standard cap mag, do u mean a mag that came with the gun prior to the high cap mag ban?
                          Originally posted by starsnuffer
                          Taking legal advice from a gun store owner or employee is like taking dietary advice at the McDonald's drive through. Just don't.

                          -W

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                          • #43
                            Chuntsman949
                            Senior Member
                            • Jan 2010
                            • 2282

                            Originally posted by safewaysecurity
                            Does it have that ridiculously stupid custom bullet button on it from Arsenal?
                            no sir, the normal removable one, rifle gear sells the 21 with a BB slapped on it, because they also carry the normal 21 for out of state sales.
                            Last edited by Chuntsman949; 01-30-2012, 8:43 AM.
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