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[M. Sage]

922(r) is Federal, and simply a parts-counting game you have to play. I don't know what good a DOJ letter would do you for a Fed law...

Use this parts counter to get you there:

http://thegunwiki.com/Gunwiki/BuildAkVerifyCompliance

Note: check the items that are foreign-made (receiver, barrel, etc.) Saigas don't have a muzzle attachment (that I've ever seen), so you can leave that one blank. If it doesn't have one, it doesn't count against 922(r).

If you do an AK-style conversion and put a pistol grip and wood furniture on, as long as the grip and furniture are US-built, and you use a US-built trigger (Tapco G2), you'll only have 9 foreign parts, so you'll be more than compliant with 922(r).

IIRC, if you keep a "hunting-style" stock on it, like the Monte Carlo, you shouldn't have to worry about 922(r). That only comes into play if you start adding things like a folding stock or pistol grip... which are things I think you should add.

[hoffmang]

922(r) has nothing to do with CA law. I'm less an expert on 922, but if you're putting US parts on you're usually headed the right direction.

As to California State Law, once that rifle was registered (which includes sending mail into DOJ and getting a postcard back, not just a DROS) you can configure it in any otherwise legal manner (aka, no SBR, no automatic conversion.)

-Gene

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just to swap the Monte Carlo Synth, to wood

if that is all you want to do then buy the wood and install. it will still be in importable configuration. if you change to a pistol grip style conversion you have to play the 922r game.

[bwiese]

If your Saiga does not have any military features (flash hiders, night sights) - which I think it does not - than it's outside the scope of 922(r) coverage (and you don't have to worry about any out-of-C&R transitions).

The Kalashnikov USA Saiga (regardless of its funky CA AW status which is irrelevant in Fed law) is an ordinary semiauto hunting rifle with no 'military-like' features. It's no different, by feature or topology, than a Remington 7400 (US) or a Benelli R4.

Adding US parts can only help, especially if they are not 'military' (pistol grip, flash hider, etc.) Your conventional Monte Carlo stock you intend to swap in certainly is the functional nonmilitary equivalent of the conventional Saiga stock.

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OK, thanks guys.
Yes, all I want to do is switch to a custom made (USA)
Monte Carlo - for now! Just want ot make sure.

On another issue!
I also have a Bushmaster 20" bbl that I registered also in 2000. All the famuly names were on the AW reg form (i.e.
me. my wife and 18 yr old son).

I bought it for my son in 99 before all this SB23 crap.
So when I get the registration letter back from DOJ with
the list of registered firearms and my name and wife's name, my son's is not on it. There is another letter stating he had to be 18 by a certain date I think it was may or april
he turned 18 in Sept 2000. so in effect he lost his Bushy
It's just sitting in the safe now at my house.
We take it out to feed it every now and then. but hey that is his and well you know.
Fast forward to all this OLL happenings of the last few years.

If I put a U16 stock or bullet button on the bushy can I
tranfer it back to him legally. Dang thing is his anyway.

Thanks

i also did the dual reg on all of my/my brothers AW and we each got a seperate letter from doj with our registration. if you only got one then you are the only legal owner. bushmaster is a named AW you can't transfer it to anyone in this state. buy him an OLL and build it up for him. MMG is the way to go IMO.

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I also have a Bushmaster 20" bbl that I registered also in 2000. All the family names were on the AW reg form (i.e. me. my wife and 18 yr old son).

I bought it for my son in 99 before all this SB23 crap.
So when I get the registration letter back from DOJ with
the list of registered firearms and my name and wife's name, my son's is not on it. There is another letter stating he had to be 18 by a certain date I think it was may or april he turned 18 in Sept 2000. so in effect he lost his Bushy. It's just sitting in the safe now at my house. We take it out to feed it every now and then. but hey that is his and well you know.

Yeah, he'd've had to have been 18 by 1/1/2000 to get on the reg.

He can take possession of it outside CA (use an FFL) if he ever moves outside CA.

If I put a U16 stock or bullet button on the bushy can I tranfer it back to him legally.

Nope, the Bushy is a 'banned-by-name" AW - that is, it was "listed". Continued possession even of the receiver required registration at appropriate time. So it's yours/wifey's.

Also, even if if it were a joint registration, if the son moves away there's some question (needs further research) whether he can be on the reg, as it's for "same household".

For your son to get the rifle in some form, you'd have to acquire/put an 'off-list' receiver (Stag, RRA, Lauer, LMT, etc. - there are dozens), configure it into non-AW status, and then you could gift it to your son.

If the upper does not have a flash hider (good chance, given it was 1999 new purchase when Fed AWB was on) then if it's mounted on a lower receiver with fixed stock you can render it into a non-AW by using a MonsterMan grip or U15 stock. If you want a collapsing stock and/or your upper has a flash hider, you need to use a fixed *10rd* magazine.

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