Question on tactical carbine class

[dieselpower]

12280. (a)
(1) Any person who, within this state, manufactures or causes to be manufactured, distributes, transports, or imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives or lends any assault weapon or any .50 BMG rifle, except as provided by this chapter, is guilty of a felony, and upon conviction shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for four, six, or eight years.

(k) Subdivision (a) shall not apply to

(C) The assault weapon or .50 BMG rifle is possessed at any of the following locations:

(3) The match or competition is sponsored by, conducted under the auspices of, or approved by, a law enforcement agency or a nationally or state recognized entity that fosters proficiency in, or promotes education about, firearms.

this is where this all comes from. they believe their letter allows them to have students remove maglocks and manufacture AWs for the class.

[shortround1]

Ok, heres the thing.

Most the AW exempt rifles are owned by the dept. An officers personal rifle, that is not signed off for duty use, AW laws are applied, so BB, 10 round mags etc.

If an officer takes a course, and is not using a duty rifle, they SHOULD be using a CA compliant rifle. Just like a non LEO.

Its not like being allowed to buy off roster guns and 10+ mags for personal use.

Ok, fair enough.

[vintagearms]

Do you really think that Ca LE officers use 10 round mags and bullet buttons? Those laws are for law abiding citizens like us, cops and criminals don't follow those rules.

When our PD trains, they are using PD authorized weapons and not personal guns.

To the OP, I would choose another trainer who follows the letter of the law.

[1911su16b870]

Do you really think that Ca LE officers use 10 round mags and bullet buttons? Those laws are for law abiding citizens like us, cops and criminals don't follow those rules.

Calling BS on this one...you do not know what you are writing about...

If a LE drives up to a crime scene and deploys his department AR, no law was broken.

[luchador768]

There are great places out of state, AZ and NV. Drive a little and train with an AR in it's free state configuration. If you can't leave the state train with a featureless. If you only have ten rounders you can still drop them in a featureless.

[zombiescanlearn]

To the OP, I would choose another trainer who follows the letter of the law.

+1, I don't think the trainer knows what he is talking about. No exemption from the law just because you're taking a class. You should learn to use your weapons the way it's going to be deployed anyway. So, if you're in CA, learn to use it with all the constraints placed on your weapon system.

[Matt@AimSportsInc]

Do what I did: run a .22lr conversion in your AR. It allows you to have a detatchable magazine, saves a ton of money on ammo, and allows you to keep up with the people using AW's.

You will have to reload more often with the 10rd mags, but hey - they teach tactical reload drills at the course, so you will be an expert at them by the end of the day

[Ubermcoupe]

Oh, and most of them are on the rack these days : )

I cant think of anyone who still carries it in the trunk!

[Striker]

I spoke with an instructor at one of our local firearms training academies and asked him if they allow the use of OLL ARs at their tactical carbine classes. He said that they absolutely do and that it is legal(per DOJ) at their training to defeat the bullet buttons and use standard capacity magazines as long as you only do so at their training.

Does this sound right to you guys? I'd like to take their training course but I also want to stay legal.

Thanks.

If it were me and it bothered me as much as it seems to bother you, I would just go train in Nevada, Arizona or Oregon. It will solve your dilemma. I know Redback One has a class in Nevada this year as does Pat McNamara. Almost everyone does a class or two in Arizona. Just go to Grey Group training and look for a class that works for you. Those guys all have really good credentials.

[zfields]

Different areas, different ways they do things.

Dept I worked at (was a non sworn) required they were in the rack. Couple depts in the area same thing.

Hell, I cant think of anyone that plates in there cars, except one guy who was on the tac team.

[zombiescanlearn]

If it were me and it bothered me as much as it seems to bother you, I would just go train in Nevada, Arizona or Oregon. It will solve your dilemma. I know Redback One has a class in Nevada this year as does Pat McNamara. Almost everyone does a class or two in Arizona. Just go to Grey Group training and look for a class that works for you. Those guys all have really good credentials.

Yeah, but if he lives in CA, he should at least get a little practice on dealing with the BB. Wouldn't that be the logical thing to do?

[Llengih]

I've got no problem with using a bullet button in the class. To be honest with you, I was mostly interested in taking a carbine class because it sounded like a lot of fun. Pretty sure I would still have fun doing it with the bullet button and it would also get me more proficient on using the bullet button in a bad situation.

Reason I really asked the question in this forum was because the instructor made it sound like that was the way they would want me to train if I took their class(no bullet button).

I think I'll just seek other training like I mentioned earlier.

Oh, and Striker, my only real dilemma was making sure I do things within the letter of the law. Dropping a mag without a tool and using standard capacity magazines sure aren't worth me going to jail or not ever being able to use guns again.

[NorCalK9.com]

Actually I dont know an officer that has a bb on his or her AR, they have their agency sign off on them when they buy the rifle

[Gnome]

Actually I dont know an officer that has a bb on his or her AR, they have their agency sign off on them when they buy the rifle

Not every LE agency is willing to issue a letter to their officers. So, if LEOs want to own their personal ARs, it is in the same configuration as everyone else in California (Bullet Button/Raddlock). I like my guns, and more importantly, my job.