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  • #16
    4 Brigada
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2007
    • 2119

    Is it a carbine or a full size rifle? might make a difference in the balance, for target shooting I try to add weight to my rifles. If you had to carry a AR for work (.223) it would be important. But a 22 range rifle personally I would worry about the extra half pound
    Last edited by 4 Brigada; 11-09-2007, 12:52 PM.
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    • #17
      NSR500
      Banned
      • Aug 2006
      • 19530

      Originally posted by 4 Brigada
      Is it a carbine or a full size rifle? might make a difference in the balance, for target shooting I try to add weight to my rifles. If you had to carry a AR for work (.223) it would be important. But a 22 range rifle personally I would worry about the extra half pound

      Actually, if you use a dowel made of balsa wood it might actually be lighter than the buffer and spring assembly.

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      • #18
        mikeinla
        CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
        • Aug 2007
        • 1897

        Why do you HAVE to have a dowel in the tube??

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        • #19
          elroy
          Member
          • Nov 2007
          • 192

          "Actually, if you use a dowel made of balsa wood it might actually be lighter than the buffer and spring assembly."nsr500

          i like that thinking , but ,, i just bought the bushmaster carbon 15 22lr upper kit and it uses a recoil spring that goes back into the tube with a plastic guide/spacer , and a lighter hammer and spring , if the conversions are like this , it needs a spring to work the bolt ,you cant sub a dowel , and you won't be accidentally putting on the wrong upper

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          • #20
            NSR500
            Banned
            • Aug 2006
            • 19530

            For my Comfort level with regard to California Legality I choose to configure my .22 Ar as follows:

            1. .22 Rimfire Marked Lower - California AW Law does not apply to Rimfire and I don't want there to be any doubt as to the Caliber of my Firearm.

            2. Bolt Type Front Takedown Pin - I do not want the Upper to be able to be removed without a Tool in case of an ambitious LEO, DA, Iggy, BOF, etc...

            3. Dowel in Recoil Tube - If Upper is removed and replaced with a .223 Upper by said ambitious LEO, DA, Iggy, BOF, etc... The lower will not allow the charging handle to be pulled back unless the recoil system is put in.

            I may be overly cautious compared to others, but this is how I feel most comfortable.

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            • #21
              NSR500
              Banned
              • Aug 2006
              • 19530

              Originally posted by elroy
              "Actually, if you use a dowel made of balsa wood it might actually be lighter than the buffer and spring assembly."nsr500

              i like that thinking , but ,, i just bought the bushmaster carbon 15 22lr upper kit and it uses a recoil spring that goes back into the tube with a plastic guide/spacer , and a lighter hammer and spring , if the conversions are like this , it needs a spring to work the bolt ,you cant sub a dowel , and you won't be accidentally putting on the wrong upper

              I have not ever seen a Bushmaster system up close, but the Ceiner conversion types like the upper from Spikes look like this:



              That is why you can run it without a buffer tube like this:

              Last edited by NSR500; 11-09-2007, 3:53 PM.

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              • #22
                PLINK
                Senior Member
                • Mar 2006
                • 1773

                OK, I do not have a wooden dowel and do not plan on putting one in my .22LR build.

                I recommend having a centerfire build and a .22LR build if are not comfortable switching the uppers back and forth while staying compliant in the process.

                This is what I have set up.

                Mil-spec lower with no buffer, no buffer spring, no buffer detent and no buffer detent spring. It is gonna be very hard to fire a traditional centerfire upper without those parts.

                Upper is a Spike's .22LR only upper. It has no gas sytem (no gas tube) and can not chamber a .223 round. This .22LR barrel also has a 16:1 twist rate allowing it to be quite accurate.

                I feel comfortable with this set up.

                When the .22LR marked lowers come out I may pick one up depending on what it looks like (no gay animals or logos please) but only to use my current lower for something else.

                I have never thought about buying or using a conversion kit.

                My .02 cents.
                Last edited by PLINK; 11-09-2007, 4:06 PM.

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                • #23
                  4 Brigada
                  Senior Member
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 2119

                  I think Plink you nailed it, Why not just use everything standard leave everythintg from the mil spec in the lower, use the centerfire upper with the conversion kit. But here is the cool that you pointed out REMOVE THE GAS TUBE. if you use the centerfire parts its not a semiauto rifle.
                  I have neither the inclination or the time to relieve people of the regional and ethnic handicaps that they inherited from their ancestors.

                  You should banish any thoughts of how you may appear to others.
                  Marcus Aurelius

                  "I won't be wronged, I wont be insulted, I won't be laid a hand on. I don't do these things to other people, and I require the same from them."
                  the "Duke" in the shootist

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