Ewbanks AK

[saki302]

Disconnector? You mean the secondary catch on the trigger itself? most of my kits came with them. I think you may be referring to the auto sear that's being left out of kits which we can't use anyways.

The picture shown above is a milled receiver kit- I have heard the stamped hungarian SA85 kits are among the best AK's ever produced. MAKE SURE you don't get a milled receiver kit- good luck finding a milled receiver!!

-Dave

[EBWhite]

Do the romanian and hungarian use the same pre drilled hole pattern?

Why are the sa-85s considered the best?

[glen avon]

my romanian kit came with all full-auto parts.

the fit and finish on hungarians are supposed to be better, but the romanians still shoot. my parts look pretty darn good and I am 100% satisfied with them.

if the feg kit comes completely disassembled as shown in the picture, it might be worth the additional $60 to have a nicer kit and not have to disassemble it.

[wayoutwest]

The kits I have seen have all come with the FA parts, but they are usually replaced with the US parts.

saki302 Quote:
Originally Posted by wayoutwest
ATF says that if you are building a sporting rifle from inported parts you have to replace foreign parts with US parts. You are only allowed 10 or less foreign parts. The AK generally has 16 parts so 10 or less means at least 6 US parts.




Here's the catch- if you build it as a CA-compliant AK with detachable mag, in an IMPORTABLE configuration (A.K.A. Vepr type), are you even required to follow sec. 922r anymore? Most guys do it out of state so they can run the pistol grips and other stuff. My old MAK90 I sold was not 922r compliant, but only had a thumbhole stock- this was back in 1997.

For example, H&K SL-8. Not 922r complaint as-is. If you want to add the pistol grip, you need to make it 922r compliant first.

If a firearm built this way with the fixed mag ever goes to NV and made into a detachable mag they it would be in vialation of 922r--right?

The Mak90 you sold was probably imported in the original condition and not build up from a part kit thus not needing the US parts. FAL that are build up need US parts and I bet even the one from Enteprise (CA Legal) come with US parts.

EBWhite Do the romanian and hungarian use the same pre drilled hole pattern?

The pre-drilled holes are all very close the the holes in the trunion and block. Becasue of all the different countries building them there may be slight differences in the location. you may need to file the receiver a little bit to get a exact fit.

[Tyler]

Yes, sorry i meant the auto sear. Mine also came with all the auto parts but they left out the sear. That kit looks really nice. I think that it has a wood pistol grip. That is really cool. This has to do with the romanian rifles but it might have to do with yours as well. http://www.gunsnet.net/Linx310/slapfix.htm

[saki302]

I think the premse of 922r is if the rifle is in an *importable* configuration, A.K.A. Vepr, MAK90, etc., it does not require abiding by the US parts count. SO if you never intend to put a pistol grip on it, you're fine and can save the $40. Likewise if you fix the mag *I think*...

Most folks who get CA-compliant AK or AR's will never leave the state. If we are allowed to register tham and return them to full glory, well, that's another story!

-Dave

[glen avon]

are the veprs and saigas currently importable able to accept hicap mags?

[Charliegone]

are the veprs and saigas currently importable able to accept hicap mags?

I believe robarms was going to make a high cap for the veprs, but I haven't seen anything yet. There are no saiga high caps, only if you convert them.

Also Justang.. your receiver is heat treated. Mines the same.

[Justang]

That gunbroker.com kit I was looking at says it's for a stamped receiver. I've made sure to look for stamped vs milled.

Cool. Glad to hear confirmation that it's treated.

[glen avon]

I believe robarms was going to make a high cap for the veprs, but I haven't seen anything yet. There are no saiga high caps, only if you convert them....

then, my understanding is that you need to be 922r compliant when building these, i.e., enough US parts.

[BigMac]

ATF says that if you are building a sporting rifle from inported parts you have to replace foreign parts with US parts.

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Doesn't it say Non-sporting rifle though?? I do believe that century was getting past 922r buy putting on the thumbhole stock to make their rifles "sporting" and to not have to comply with 922r.

[BigMac]

Looks like I have a Gen 2. It has the stepdown.

step down?

[Justang]

Gen II has a stepdown top rail.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=4&f=64&t=81540

[wayoutwest]

BigMac you might be right about Century,

this is from the ATF website I will try to find the exact link all about building the AK from parts kits including 922r info.

Building a Firearm

Question: Is it legal to assemble a firearm from commercially available parts kits that can be
purchased via internet or shotgun news?

Answer: For your information, per provisions of the Gun Control Act (GCA) of 1968, 18
U.S.C. Chapter 44, an unlicensed individual may make a “firearm” as defined in the GCA for his
own personal use, but not for sale or distribution.

The GCA, 18 U.S.C. § 921(a)(3), defines the term “firearm” to include the following:
“…(A) any weapon (including a starter gun) which will or is designed to or may be readily
converted to expel a projectile by the action of an explosive: (B) the frame or receiver of any
such weapon; (C) any firearm muffler or silencer; or (D) any destructive device. Such term does
not include an antique firearm.”

In addition, the National Firearms Act (NFA), 26 U.S.C. § 5845(b), defines the term
"machinegun" as—

“…any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot,
automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger.

This term shall also include the frame or receiver of any such weapon, any part designed and
intended solely and exclusively, or combination of parts designed and intended, for use in
converting a weapon into a machinegun, and any combination of parts from which a machinegun
can be assembled if such parts are in the possession or under the control of a person.”

Finally, the GCA, 18 U.S.C. § 922(r), specifically states the following:

“It shall be unlawful for any person to assemble from imported parts any semiautomatic rifle or
any shotgun which is identical to any rifle or shotgun prohibited from importation under
the…[GCA]…Section 925(d)(3)…as not being particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to
sporting purposes….”

Also, 27 C.F.R. § 478.39 states—

“…(a) No person shall assemble a semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun using more than 10 of the
imported parts listed in paragraph (c) of this section if the assembled firearm is prohibited from
importation under section 925(d)(3) as not being particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to
sporting purposes…..
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(b) The provisions of this section shall not apply to:
(1) The assembly of such rifle or shotgun for sale or distribution by a licensed
manufacturer to the United States or any department or agency thereof or to any State or any
department, agency, or political subdivision thereof; or (2) The assembly of such rifle or shotgun
for the purposes of testing or experimentation authorized by the Director under the provisions of
[§478.151(formerly 178.151)]; or (3) The repair of any rifle or shotgun which had been imported
into or assembled in the United States prior to November 30, 1990, or the replacement of any
part of such firearm.
(c) For purposes of this section, the term imported parts [tabulated below] are:

(1) Frames, receivers, receiver
castings, forgings, or castings.
(2) Barrels.
(3) Barrel extensions.
(4) Mounting blocks (trunnions).
(5) Muzzle attachments.
(6) Bolts.
(7) Bolt carriers.
(8) Operating rods.
(9) Gas pistons.
(10) Trigger housings.
(11) Triggers.
(12) Hammers.
(13) Sears.
(14) Disconnectors.
(15) Buttstocks.
(16) Pistol grips.
(17) Forearms, handguards.
(18) Magazine bodies.
(19) Followers.
(20) Floor plates.

As a result of a 1989 study by the U.S. Treasury Department regarding the importability of
certain firearms, an import ban was placed on military-style firearms. This ban included not only
military-type firearms, but also extended to firearms with certain features that were considered to
be “nonsporting.”

Among such nonsporting features were the ability to accept a detachable magazine;
folding/telescoping stocks; separate pistol grips; and the ability to accept a bayonet, flash
suppressors, bipods, grenade launchers, and night sights.

Please note that the foreign parts kits that are sold through commercial means are usually cut up
machineguns, such as Russian AK-47 types, British Sten types, etc. Generally, an acceptable
semiautomatic copy of a machinegun is one that has been significantly redesigned. The receiver
must be incapable of accepting the original fire-control components that are designed to permit
full automatic fire. The method of operation should employ a closed-bolt firing design that
incorporates an inertia-type firing pin within the bolt assembly.
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Further, an acceptably redesigned semiautomatic copy of nonsporting firearm must be limited to
using less than 10 of the imported parts listed in 27 CFR § 478.39(c). Otherwise, it is considered
to be assembled into a nonsporting configuration per the provisions of 18 U.S.C. 925(d)(3) and is
thus a violation of § 922(r).

Individuals manufacturing sporting-type firearms for their own use need not hold Federal
Firearms Licenses (FFLs). However, we suggest that the manufacturer at least identify the
firearm with a serial number as a safeguard in the event that the firearm is lost or stolen. Also,
the firearm must be identified as required in 27 CFR 478.92 if it is sold or otherwise lawfully
transferred in the future.

Thanks,

SA Sterling Nixon
Chief, Firearms Technology Branch
(304) 260-1699

[Ford8N]

Disconnector? You mean the secondary catch on the trigger itself? most of my kits came with them. I think you may be referring to the auto sear that's being left out of kits which we can't use anyways.

The picture shown above is a milled receiver kit- I have heard the stamped hungarian SA85 kits are among the best AK's ever produced. MAKE SURE you don't get a milled receiver kit- good luck finding a milled receiver!!

-Dave

Firing Line of Oklahoma has milled receivers. Very expensive but not on "The List".