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  • kingfamous
    Member
    • Apr 2011
    • 460

    gas ring fail

    Im new to the AR platform. I built my AR. C3 lower with a mostly yankee hill upper. Palmetto state bolt carrier. I went out and shot this weekend and I noticed tonight when I was cleaning the bolt that one of the gas rings had a piece broken off and the rest was bent. What would cause this?

    What is the normal items that I should have on hand for spare parts for the AR?
  • #2
    BBB114
    Member
    • Dec 2010
    • 192

    Was it lubed prior to shooting it. It could have overheated and galled. Or maybe was installed incorrecly in the first place. Usually these wear and do not break.

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    • #3
      kingfamous
      Member
      • Apr 2011
      • 460

      Yes it was lubed. I was not shooting that fast either. Looks like it caught on something. anyway, got some new ones on the way.

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      • #4
        FeuerFrei
        Calguns Addict
        • Aug 2008
        • 7455

        Usually bent when first installed by factory. Not your doing unless you installed the rings.
        Gas ring supply is a "have to have" in your shooting bag.
        Just make shure the metal to metal contact area inside the carrier is still smooth. Gouges/scrathces will jack up your new rings.

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        • #5
          Mail Clerk
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2008
          • 2324

          Kingfamous,

          On your next outting try wet-patching the inside of the carrier where the gas ring rides with oil and reassemble. Then put a drop of oil in each hole from the outside the carrier. That should lube well enough for your gas rings. In either case gas rings are easy enough even for me to replace myself and are considered to be cheap enough even in these high price days.

          Mail Clerk

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          • #6
            kingfamous
            Member
            • Apr 2011
            • 460

            When replacing the rings, should I replace all three at once, and not just the messed up one? Is there a right and wrong way to do the install?

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            • #7
              Sonic_mike
              CGN/CGSSA Contributor
              • Aug 2009
              • 3483

              Don't mean to thread jack, but is there a set round count figure where you have to change the rings?

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              • #8
                Mail Clerk
                Senior Member
                • Aug 2008
                • 2324

                Originally posted by kingfamous
                When replacing the rings, should I replace all three at once, and not just the messed up one? Is there a right and wrong way to do the install?
                Kingfamous,

                Yes replace all three as it's considered to be a set. There is no wrong way to replace them...just be careful when mounting them. Make sure the rings are staggerd otherwise gas will escape during the firing cycle. Whyle you at it oil the rings.

                Mail Clerk

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                • #9
                  Mail Clerk
                  Senior Member
                  • Aug 2008
                  • 2324

                  Originally posted by Sonic_mike
                  Don't mean to thread jack, but is there a set round count figure where you have to change the rings?
                  Sonic_mike,

                  To my knowledge there is no set amount of rounds before you change them. However there is the bolt test you perform to determine if the rings should bechanged.

                  FYI on of the rings on any of my AR rifles has every needed to be changed. I do perform the bolt test no and them on my rifles.

                  Mail Clerk

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                  • #10
                    Omega13device
                    Senior Member
                    • Jan 2006
                    • 1943

                    Originally posted by Mail Clerk
                    Make sure the rings are staggerd otherwise gas will escape during the firing cycle.
                    MYTH

                    They move around on their own anyway.

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                    • #11
                      Josh3239
                      Calguns Addict
                      • Dec 2006
                      • 9197



                      The gas ring myth is one of the many AR myths that won't go away. Like most of them it is just a huge logic fail. The rings are going to rotate on their own anyways. Not only will the AR operate fine with lined up/non-staggered gas rings but it will operate fine on just one. Feel free to try it if you don't believe.

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                      • #12
                        akjunkie
                        CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
                        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                        • Jan 2005
                        • 3496

                        Originally posted by Mail Clerk
                        Sonic_mike,

                        To my knowledge there is no set amount of rounds before you change them. However there is the bolt test you perform to determine if the rings should bechanged.

                        FYI on of the rings on any of my AR rifles has every needed to be changed. I do perform the bolt test no and them on my rifles.

                        Mail Clerk
                        What bolt test? U mean the "whipping action"?

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                        • #13
                          Mail Clerk
                          Senior Member
                          • Aug 2008
                          • 2324

                          akjunkie,

                          Assemble the bolt and carrier as usual and turn place it on it's end standing up on a stable table. If the carrier drops on it's own power then it is suggested to change the rings. I admit I only do this occassionally.

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                          • #14
                            akjunkie
                            CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
                            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                            • Jan 2005
                            • 3496

                            Originally posted by Mail Clerk
                            akjunkie,

                            Assemble the bolt and carrier as usual and turn place it on it's end standing up on a stable table. If the carrier drops on it's own power then it is suggested to change the rings. I admit I only do this occassionally.
                            Thanks for the tip. Gonna try this tonite.

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                            • #15
                              BigNick
                              Senior Member
                              • Dec 2009
                              • 508

                              Get the one peice coiled gas ring and you wont have to worry about that happening again.

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