30" overall length

[lazyworm]

so someone just needs to make an under folder not able to fire when the stock is folded, maby you have to put the safety on to fold the rifle

Already done. Check out the keltec SU-16 line.

[negolien]

lol

Without it. That is why they make 14 1/2" barrels with permanent muzzle devices, but with a 16" barrel, it really doesn't matter.

[MrPlink]

With. You could duct-tape a wooden dowel to the barrel if you wanted to. OAL of the rifle does not require permanence.

I used to joke about wrapping a coat hanger around the barrel and having it stretch straight out in a similar manner

[Knife Edge]

Can a RAW be under 30" in CA?

[Merc1138]

I used to joke about wrapping a coat hanger around the barrel and having it stretch straight out in a similar manner

Actually in the UK they do something kinda similar to get around their stupid handgun laws. Imagine an 18 inch wire rod hanging to the rear off of the bottom of the pistol grip on a browning buckmark with a 12 inch barrel.



The guy narrating in the video sounds stereotypically british(unenthusiastic and boring like he's describing a golf game or something). However it's at least a creative way to get around some of the ridiculous laws kinda like that straight pull bolt release thing on the 9mm AR conversion.

[ADH]

The 30" OAL does not require permanence.
The gun must be permanently greater than 26" in it's maximum length (any long gun) to satisfy Federal law.
California requires that it be at least 30" in it's MINIMUM operable condition, but this only applies to semiautomatic, centerfire rifles.
You can legally have a 26" long rimfire, bolt, or lever action rifle.

Awesome. That's the info I needed. Thanks!

[Cokebottle]

so someone just needs to make an under folder not able to fire when the stock is folded, maby you have to put the safety on to fold the rifle

KelTec already did it.

The trigger group folds with the buttstock.

[Cokebottle]

You can still utilize a DI and a folding stock, but you have to relocated the recoil spring.

Easier with piston though... relocate the recoil spring to the piston tube itself.

[Cokebottle]

Can a RAW be under 30" in CA?

Yes.

RAW can be as short as 26" in the minimum configuration.

I would be tempted to say that it can be 26" in it's extended configuration, but I honestly don't know how California's definition of "SBR" interfaces with the Federal definition.
I'm 90% positive that you can not have a rifle that is EVER shorter than 26" when functional.

[Knife Edge]

Yes.

RAW can be as short as 26" in the minimum configuration.

I would be tempted to say that it can be 26" in it's extended configuration, but I honestly don't know how California's definition of "SBR" interfaces with the Federal definition.
I'm 90% positive that you can not have a rifle that is EVER shorter than 26" when functional.

Thanks Coke!

[Josh3239]

Easier with piston though... relocate the recoil spring to the piston tube itself.

You can do the same exact thing with a DI, it isn't easier. In an AR there are limited places you can put the recoil spring, space is nearly as tight for an operating rod. The LR300 essentially has the gas tube host the recoil spring. Gas operation and bolt group recoil spring have zero to do with each other. The AR15 placing the recoil spring where it is, is the simplest place for it and also allows quick maintenance and a monster of a recoil spring.