Franklin Armory XO-26b

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It looks like the other thread mentioning it is gone, but I think maybe it deserves more discussion.

I handled one today, and the most interesting discovery is that it's VERY easy to shoulder it and get a reasonable sight picture. I have a hard time believing the ATF is going to stand by their decision that it's neither an AOW or SBR for very long. The lower is also not marked "pistol".

Does anyone have one of these? It seems like they took the AR pistol from silly to practical.

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After taking a look at at the ATF letter Franklin Armory has on their website, it looks like anyone could build one of these provided that they start with an 80% lower and end up with a 'firearm' 26" or greater in length. If the ATF stands behind their decisions, we probably will be seeing a lot more of these.

http://www.franklinarmory.com/XO-26_Letter__c_.pdf

[Reductio]

AR lowers never need to be marked "pistol" just fyi.

I personally like the idea, but I don't mind the AFG on my pistol build either. I'm still waiting for absolute confirmation before I stick a regular vertical grip on my 80% though.

[awall919]

That is a nice looking AR pistol. I have a Franklin Arms carbine and think they make great firearms. I'd like to own one of those as well.

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AR lowers never need to be marked "pistol" just fyi.

I personally like the idea, but I don't mind the AFG on my pistol build either. I'm still waiting for absolute confirmation before I stick a regular vertical grip on my 80% though.

I know, but a lot of manufacturers do it for clarity especially in CA where you'd need a dedicated pistol lower.

AFG is awesome on pistols, deffo.

[edward]

Just so I'm clear... does that XO-26 have a bullet button on the other side? I recall the thread from Franklin Armory where he was postulating the notion that because it is a title 1 long gun, not a rifle, not a pistol - it could be run with no bb & evil features.

Did anything come of that and are these being sold with no bb?

[Turo]

Just so I'm clear... does that XO-26 have a bullet button on the other side? I recall the thread from Franklin Armory where he was postulating the notion that because it is a title 1 long gun, not a rifle, not a pistol - it could be run with no bb & evil features.

Did anything come of that and are these being sold with no bb?

CA law recognizes it as a pistol, Federal law does not recognize it as a pistol or AOW. Therefore, to remain legal in CA, it must have a bullet button (or other magazine locking device) as it is being sold as a pistol here.

[edward]

Bleh! nevermind, wrong gun. I thought this was the one that had over a 16" barrel. Okay on with the thread.

[seainc]

I don't have much confident in ATF Technology Branch, so get it while you can.

After taking a look at at the ATF letter Franklin Armory has on their website, it looks like anyone could build one of these provided that they start with an 80% lower and end up with a 'firearm' 26" or greater in length. If the ATF stands behind their decisions, we probably will be seeing a lot more of these.

http://www.franklinarmory.com/XO-26_Letter__c_.pdf

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I know, but a lot of manufacturers do it for clarity especially in CA where you'd need a dedicated pistol lower.

Why would Frankling Armory mark it as a "pistol" on the reciever, when under Federal laws it's not a pistol.

Under Federal laws...
The Franklin Armory XO-26 is a Title 1 "other".
Less than 16" rifled barrel and a greater than 26" overall length equates to a Title 1 "other" firearm.

Under CA laws...
The Franklin Armory XO-26 is a "handgun".
Firearm with a less than 16" barrel equates to a "handgun".

[chead]

because they mark "California" on the CA models

[bwiese]

Just so I'm clear... does that XO-26 have a bullet button on the other side? I recall the thread from Franklin Armory where he was postulating the notion that because it is a title 1 long gun, not a rifle, not a pistol - it could be run with no bb & evil features.

We're dealing in theory vs. recommended practice. It may be arguable as a defense in certain situations (not here).

This is was born as/regarded as a pistol under CA law, which is relevant to SB23.

A bunch of people will get in high priced trouble if this is done.

There are better ways of determining the legality of similar stances, though it will take some time.


[qupte]Did anything come of that and are these being sold with no bb?[/QUOTE]

No, these are BB maglocked.

[donking]

isn't the "b" nomenclature for 7.62x39. Does the calibre matter for this discussion?

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isn't the "b" nomenclature for 7.62x39. Does the calibre matter for this discussion?

The non-"b" model is the shorter barreled pistol. Both the 7.62 and 5.56 are the "b".

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At the Ontario gun show, one of the exhibitors had put together their own version of the XO-26, can't remember which upper and lower they used. I was wondering who was gonna jump on the bandwagon that Franklin Armory started.