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  • cambria
    Junior Member
    • Mar 2011
    • 21

    SKS Question

    Hi folks,
    I recently acquired an SKS from a store that had very little info it was willing to share about it. As it's not in default military config I don't think it fits in the curio section anymore. Here is the URL for your quick viewing.



    First of all, this Norinco SKS I believe is a paratrooper based on the length compared to others I've seen, though it was not distinguished as one by the shop or tag. My main question is in regards to the polymer stock it came with:

    I understand that this stock is very close to the original wood one, and so it doesn't trigger any 922r compliance requirements (like say, a slightly different dragunov stock with more pistol grip would?). This is at least the shop's argument. However, doesn't this replacement part count as taking the weapon out of 'original military configuration' regardless of its similarity to the factory one? My collection mostly uses FMJ stuff so my best and most frequent place to shoot is in the desert near Ocotillo. The problem is that I deal with the border patrol regularly, and I can't afford to simply trust the shop on this info.

    Bottom line, what the shop thinks may be hairline-legal and enough so for me to make quick runs to the range and home, may be a bit more problematic when the border patrol stop points on the 8 west are involved. They already tried to throw a fit about my Saiga AK47 in 5.65 (those polymer ones atlantic sells), I was a few rude words from one of their power trip holding cells, fortunately a senior trooper decided to shut up his deputy's ill informed tough guy routine.

    Much appreciation for any light you fine folks can shed on this situation. This gun shoots tight groups and is a real joy under 150m, loving it more than any saiga AK I've owned.


    PS- the railed receiver cover and scope didn't come with it, just having some fun with parts
    Last edited by cambria; 09-13-2011, 11:09 PM.
  • #2
    FiveSeven
    CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • Sep 2009
    • 2424

    922 is when you make it accept hi cap magazines. Stock does not violate any fed laws.
    Chinese SKS that were imported in to U.S never met C&R criteria as they were not old enough.

    There's nothing wrong with your SKS legally speaking.... That red dot/cover is pretty useless accessory imho.
    Drilling/taping receiver is the only proper way to mount any optic on SKS that will work long term..... but hey, if that setup works for you that that is all that matters.

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    • #3
      cambria
      Junior Member
      • Mar 2011
      • 21

      Originally posted by FiveSeven
      922 is when you make it accept hi cap magazines. Stock does not violate any fed laws.
      Chinese SKS that were imported in to U.S never met C&R criteria as they were not old enough.

      There's nothing wrong with your SKS legally speaking.... That red dot/cover is pretty useless accessory imho.
      Thanks for your reply

      I thought it was just because the chinese ones were poorly accounted for their timeframe of production and couldn't be pinned down to c&r.

      The red dot was off a gsg22 haha, yeah I actually use the factory dust cover and ring sights for said accuracy. As I posted, just messing around with some parts. Bored between desert drives. Back to the topic..

      Doesn't the term 'nonsporting' features encompass a lot more than high cap mags? Granted it doesn't have a pistol grip, I was just concerned that it may not be 'original military config' with the crap polymer stock it came with. I think I'm overstressing the matter, those check points can just be so damn ornery sometimes. I appreciate your confirmation.

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      • #4
        driveljay
        Senior Member
        • Apr 2010
        • 529

        922 is not making it accept hi caps. Its the number of U.S. made parts it needs once taken out of original configuration...which can vary depending on country of origin.

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        • #5
          Lostsheep
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2010
          • 925

          Originally posted by FiveSeven
          922 is when you make it accept hi cap magazines. Stock does not violate any fed laws.
          Chinese SKS that were imported in to U.S never met C&R criteria as they were not old enough.

          There's nothing wrong with your SKS legally speaking.... That red dot/cover is pretty useless accessory imho.
          Drilling/taping receiver is the only proper way to mount any optic on SKS that will work long term..... but hey, if that setup works for you that that is all that matters.

          Originally posted by driveljay
          922 is not making it accept hi caps. Its the number of U.S. made parts it needs once taken out of original configuration...which can vary depending on country of origin.

          I don't think 922r is just about mags. I believe mags are one part of it. The PO of my SKS changed the stock to a folding type and also swapped out other parts to be compliant. I am fairly confident that 922r had to be satisfied. It is this one:




          I agree with the OP here that his stock selection would not trigger 922r. He changed the material and not the configuration.

          I like this guys explanation but by his own admission, he is not a lawyer.

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          • #6
            paul0660
            In Memoriam
            • Jul 2007
            • 15669

            922r is about assembling a gun that does not meet the standard for "sporting" or would otherwise be illegal for importation.

            "It shall be unlawful for any person to assemble from imported parts any semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun which is identical to any rifle or shotgun prohibited from importation under section 925(d)(3) of this chapter as not being particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes except that this subsection shall not apply to--
            (1) the assembly of any such rifle or shotgun for sale or distribution by a licensed manufacturer to the United States or any department or agency thereof or to any State or any department, agency, or political subdivision thereof; or
            (2) the assembly of any such rifle or shotgun for the purposes of testing or experimentation authorized by the Attorney General. "
            Notice that says nothing about possession. If you bought it that way, you can IGNORE 922r. Someone else broke that law, not you.
            *REMOVE THIS PART BEFORE POSTING*

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            • #7
              FiveSeven
              CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
              • Sep 2009
              • 2424

              In my understanding. Replacing wood stock with one piece polymer stock does not trigger 922 violation nor takes the gun out of its sporting configuration.

              Same goes for C&R, per BATF, changing C&R rifles wooden stock with a similar plastic stock does not take the rifle out of it's C&R status.

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              • #8
                Flintlock Tom
                Veteran Member
                • Feb 2007
                • 3353

                Also, why is the BP looking at your guns at a check-point? They should have no grounds to search your vehicle and you don't have to tell them you have guns in the car. Throw a towel over your guns and tell them to have a nice day.
                "Everyone must determine for themselves what level of tyranny they are willing to tolerate.
                I let my CA residency expire in 2015."

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                • #9
                  cambria
                  Junior Member
                  • Mar 2011
                  • 21

                  Originally posted by Flintlock Tom
                  They should have no grounds to search your vehicle and you don't have to tell them you have guns in the car. Throw a towel over your guns and tell them to have a nice day.
                  ordinarily, I do just what you said and everything I do is "personal business", I've had a few friends jump out and say gone shooting, which insists firearms, which means they are 'allowed' to peep said guns. I guess I could say they are buried in the desert... but yeah I've let them search a couple times, nothing to hide. Needless to say I've since educated them, but who knows what'll happen next.

                  Thanks everyone

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                  • #10
                    wang949
                    Member
                    • Mar 2011
                    • 380

                    I went through a BP checkpoint on the 8 two years ago (and yesterday). But two years ago, their drug dog smelled narcotics from my car. What it really smelled and got excited about was the pile of dead doves from the mornings dove opener. Anyway, they detained us in the "power trip holding cell" after patting us down so they could search my car. There was a pile of guns in the back of the car including pistols. They didn't say a word about the guns and let us go after not finding any drugs. It sounds like your BP experience was completely unprofessional, considering you almost got detained for having a Saiga...

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                    • #11
                      paul0660
                      In Memoriam
                      • Jul 2007
                      • 15669

                      Originally posted by FiveSeven
                      In my understanding. Replacing wood stock with one piece polymer stock does not trigger 922 violation nor takes the gun out of its sporting configuration.

                      Same goes for C&R, per BATF, changing C&R rifles wooden stock with a similar plastic stock does not take the rifle out of it's C&R status.
                      I read a scanned letter on the internet, probably at SKSSurvivor forum, saying exactly that. I have looked for it, can't find it.
                      *REMOVE THIS PART BEFORE POSTING*

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