Ar-15 that leaves no room for legal argument?

[Rebellious]

You are over-thinking this entirely.

[CK_32]

An AR15 is a legal argument no matter how you have it. It's a "evil rifle".

Assault rifle if you will. No matter what you do someone is going to ask is that illegal in it's lifetime sooner or later.

[CK_32]

Turner's?

[MrPlink]

Sell what ever parts you have invested on the AR, and get yourself a SG, along with a 6 shot revolver .

SG?

yep, should be legal in CA

[CK_32]

SG?

yep, should be legal in CA

stop it's hurts!

[SanPedroShooter]

I dunno know, Gibsons been in some deep **** lately. You're SG may have rare illegaly imorted wood, which could mean a 3 am no knock warrant from tatical Fish & Game operators.

I wouldnt trust it. Get a ukulele...

[CSACANNONEER]

No love for FAB10s arounds here???? I love both of mine. While they still are capable of being configured illegally (I had one looked at closely in 2002 by an FBI firearms instructor. He questioned the 14.5" upper but, it had a permanently attached FH), for the most part, people just accept the fact that they are legal. However, there is so much FUD surrounding PGs, Bayo lugs, etc. that some LEOs and other self proffessed "firearms experts" will always insist that these features are illegal on ANY firearm.

For those who want to bash Fab10s, think about it carefully, they were introduced during the Federal ban and served a purpose in California as well as the rest of the country. They were the first step toward OLLs and, since most people had not received OLLs before 12-31-2004, Fab10s were a great way to get a lower to register as a 50BMG before AR50 took affect.

[Creampuff]

Overkill and going overboard, is approved only for purchases of power tools, otherwise, as mentioned before, there is no benefit for being "extra legal".

[nitroxdiver]

Hello. My Daniel Defense carbine leaves no room for legal argument. It was legally purchased by me at my local gun store, is NOT on the ban list, has a 16" bbl, is greater than 30" long when collapsed, has a mag lock, and I only use magazines that hold 10 or less rounds. End of discussion. Grinding off bayo lugs, etc doesn't make it more legal. There is no such thing as more legal. It's either legally configured, or it's not.

If you are still uncomfortable with the chart and ca requirements, that's fine and understandable. Maybe look into other options like mini 14 or M1A.
Whatever you decide, get something. We can always use another American rifleman to keep the tradition and heritage of marksmanship alive.

[captbilly]

There are no absolutes in law.

I am not a lawyer and have only a few occasions to deal with civil law but it is obvious to anyone with even a passing knowledge of how our justice system works (OJ Simpson, etc.) that nothing is clear cut in law. I am not saying it will happen but I can see the possibility of a new attorny general or governor or State Assembly, or combination of the above, simply saying that the assault weapons ban as it is now being enforced (oll, bullet button, etc.) is clearly not what the legislature intended, and all of our oll bullet button equiped ARs are instantly illeagal again. In fact I was shocked as hell when I saw how easily one could make a California legal AR by simply putting a different name on the lower and putting a bullet button on the mag release. I have 7 of them now, so I am compleatly with all of you on wanting them to stay legal, but we are one major incident away from all of our ARs being back on the assault weapons list.

[Sunday]

no, im a bit paranoid because im the only person i know with a weapon. .

I have lots of guns but none I consider weapons . Not even my CCW piece. Weapon is a silly term . Define weapon? Most all of the guns are range toys and some people even use then for hunting . No one goes hunting with a weapon.

[Sunday]

This is why I don't own any guns...or, I lost them in a freak boating accident...

Same with me. Just happened!! Darn boats anyway!!

[Sunday]

I would bet there are more ARs in California than before the first ban.

[SanPedroShooter]

I am not a lawyer and have only a few occasions to deal with civil law but it is obvious to anyone with even a passing knowledge of how our justice system works (OJ Simpson, etc.) that nothing is clear cut in law. I am not saying it will happen but I can see the possibility of a new attorny general or governor or State Assembly, or combination of the above, simply saying that the assault weapons ban as it is now being enforced (oll, bullet button, etc.) is clearly not what the legislature intended, and all of our oll bullet button equiped ARs are instantly illeagal again. In fact I was shocked as hell when I saw how easily one could make a California legal AR by simply putting a different name on the lower and putting a bullet button on the mag release. I have 7 of them now, so I am compleatly with all of you on wanting them to stay legal, but we are one major incident away from all of our ARs being back on the assault weapons list.

Think that through. What would happen if the legislature tried to expand the list? Something they are forbidden to to do without new bill being written and passed. Everyone who gets to register their "assault weapon" could take of their BB's, run 30's if they had them, and use the rifles as God intended, and then manufacture's would just change names again....

I suppose they could tinker with the definition of "fixed magazine" or "capacity to accept", but that would raise another **** storm, and cause hundreds of thousands of new rifles to make the registration list, unencumbered by CA stupid ***, useless AW laws... And remeber this, only about 10 to 20% of rifles were actually registered the first time around... 80 or 90% of the "Assualt weapons" in CA are out there somewhere, unregistered.... the horror!

OLL's are in the clear. Or as clear as it gets in CA...

[21SF]

Idk why there are so many responses to this stupid thread, it keeps ending up at the top. Why ? This is gotta be the dumbest. Don't feel comfortable? Don't own it ! Go play golf!