Pros/Cons when considering Bushmaster ACR or FN SCAR

[Uxi]

FN would never do it since they were already pushing the SCAR. HK has the 416 and outside of their derision for civilian sales, it'd be easier to adapt than something new. I think the best option would have been something like LaRue.

The barrel question is curious. 1/9 is whined about waaaaay too much without legit cause. Plenty of us shooting 62 and even 75g+ ammo without any issues, but there's a more legit beef against the M4 profile barrels. Gas ports are smaller on ACR so it wasn't off the shelf barrels...

I like the Bushmaster placement of the charging handle better than the Masada prototypes. Magpul's gas system seemed better, though, as using standard AR barrels with a FAL-style adjustable gas block IIRC.

Most ACR criticism seems to come from those with an axe to grind like former Magpul employees and/or blatant SCAR partisans, though, which is suspicious. The rest is a few oddball anecdotes that you'll see with every system and make.

[nitroxdiver]

I own a scar. It is very accurate and recoil impulse is basically nonexistent with the included pws brake. The BB is more difficult to actuate due to it having to have a heavier spring than on an AR. You also loose the ambi mag release in ca. The ambi safety is very grip friendly. I replaced the stock grip with a Bg-17 which is a drop in replacement. Other ar grips require fitting. I addEd the pws extension rail to lengthen the forend as it is kinda short and I like to hold out a little further. Never had a single malfunction of any kind. The buis are nice, and I'm running an exps3-0 as an optic. That's my experience.

FWIW, my good buddy used one in A-Stan with the teams. He told me it worked great for him and it was his go to rifle. I actually found that out after I had bought one. Never thought to ask.

I have no experience with the acr other than articles I've read.

[Knife Edge]

I think the best option would have been something like LaRue.

That would've been straight up awesome.

[MrPlink]

go big or go home, SCAR 17!

Of course, get ready to wait, pay more, pay a lot more for ammo and go on a 9 month long quest to Mt Doom to find more mags.

Still, its all worth it.

[smittty]

I was interested in these not long ago and did some research and read a relability report that showed the scar slightly more reliable than the HK 416. I don't remember how the ACR's placed but it was some place below the 416.

After some hands on comparison I decided to stick with my M&P15 because both the scar and acr are a heavier than my gun which has been perfectly reliable to date. I hope some day to find something like the scar that weighs in at 6.5 lbs. I'll probably be listing a new unfired hk556 for sale just because I don't like the weight.

[Metal Magic]

Thank you youtube for solving all of life's questions

[MrPlink]

I was interested in these not long ago and did some research and read a relability report that showed the scar slightly more reliable than the HK 416. I don't remember how the ACR's placed but it was some place below the 416.

After some hands on comparison I decided to stick with my M&P15 because both the scar and acr are a heavier than my gun which has been perfectly reliable to date. I hope some day to find something like the scar that weighs in at 6.5 lbs. I'll probably be listing a new unfired hk556 for sale just because I don't like the weight.

well, heavier given the features.

If you look at something with a piston system, comparable barrel profile, and free float quad rail, now you may have a different story.

Once again, this is where the 17 really shines. The felt recoil relative to the caliber and weight of the rifle is OUTSTANDING to say the least.

If keeping weight down is your main concern, then a KISS style AR with a pencil barrel is going to be very very hard to compete with.

[Knife Edge]

go big or go home, SCAR 17!

Of course, get ready to wait, pay more, pay a lot more for ammo and go on a 9 month long quest to Mt Doom to find more mags.

Still, its all worth it.

Handled one today, the rifle has fantastic ergo and not much weight to speak of. Just killed the REPR in a weight comparison.

[TangoCharlie]

To me there is no comparison.

The SCAR is just starting out life as a US mil weapon, so you can follow along as the weapon system develops.

It also has a combat record that continues to grow.

The ACR cannot support these statements.

The Magpul Masada had a ton going for it, except bad timing. Magpul missed the opening, which FN has now filled.

Magpul is a little company that could not bring the Masada to market in a meaningful way, so they sold the TDP to Freedom Group, who owns Bushmaster and Remington among other brands. The Masada became the ACR with Remington handling the LE and gov orders, and civilian manufacturing going to Bushmaster.

Unfortunately, the brilliant Magpul Masada was lost in translation. Material changes in the Bushmaster ACR deviated toward a less reliable, less robust and more expensive rifle. Remington's version is different, though still not "right".

[CSI304]

I vote for the FN SCAR. I don't like anything I read about the Bushmaster ACR.
I wouldn't recommend a Remington ACR either.

[Dhena81]

I have a Scar 16 I was thinking about getting a ACR but if I could have anything over the 2 it would be a SR-15. Honestly the thing that bothers me the most with the Scar besides the sights is the furniture seems really fragile. Now that I have my cool guy gun I'm satisfied but I would rather run a AR they are far more robust IMO.

[Darthbauer]

Figures cause I just bought an ACR. Upside is, If I don't like it or it's a piece of crap some fanboy out there will buy it from me. I just don't like the fact that if I got a SCAR I would probably have to buy new mags and I don't really want to do that.

[Knife Edge]

I just don't like the fact that if I got a SCAR I would probably have to buy new mags and I don't really want to do that.

If you are shooting metal/USGI mags why would you do that? Any and all of the P/Emags work fine with about 5 seconds worth of dremelling or filing.

[kozumasbullitt]

I don't know where all the negativity comes from about the ACR. I would say don't believe everything you read because my ACR is reliable as hell. I bet that most have never handled or fired an ACR and is just passing on bad information. I will keep my offer open to let anyone shoot mine the next time at the range but like last time, the guy that was talking the ACR down no showed.

Pros-
ACR-
The ACR kills the SCAR in ergonomics, feels more solid, and is well balanced if you are not a little guy.
SCAR-
The SCAR is being used by the US troops so that says a lot, it is very light weight (non factor for big/strong guys), accuracy is freakish (1st hand from a 17).

Cons-
ACR- Heavy, harder recoil then ARs, cal conversions no where to be found, can't change grip.

SCAR- the stock is flimsy, proprietary mags on 17, reciprocating CH, short rails.

[SuperSet]

The rail system on the SCAR needs some reworking. I hate that short rail. And no one has mentioned pricing yet. The SCAR is significantly more expensive than the ACR.