CA legal Mags..

[splashdown]

OK, I know that there has to be a dozen threads on this but I cant find them. I have a few questions regarding mags in CA.
I'm going to buy some Pmags 20rnd and I want to know what constitutes a legal mag the one i bought the other day came with a plastic insert that i put in it but from the reading i did i thought that the mag had to be pinned or that the block had to be permanent. The 5 dolor plastic bit was anything but permanent. also if that is a OK fix can i not just make my own blocks and put them in there?

[THT]

If you want a ready-made 10rd PMAG, I make lots of different kinds: http://midwestpx.com/index.php?cPath=15

[splashdown]

more interested in the legality.

[SureShot241]

more interested in the legality.

Same here

[FourLoko]

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=387409

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=463001&highlight=permanent

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=455900&highlight=permanent

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=443254&highlight=permanent

You wont find a straight answer. I think people worry too much.

[chead]

The block must be permanent. It cannot be returned (at least without a lot of effort) to it's previous capacity.

[ponderosa]

I bought a 20rd and 30rd rebuild kit from Sacramento black rifle in Rocklin with the blocks they sold as well. Guy working there said a set screw in the hole of the 20rd would do. When I got the 30rd kit same guy said to drill it on the bottom and put a screw in it.

Neither answer, basically the same, doesn't stike me as permanent, but I've read on here that a rivet (which can easily be drilled out mind you) was good enough to make 10rd mags out of mil-surp mags... Sooooo I plan on drilling and putting a rivet on the bottom of the pmags. I sure don't care for the epoxy fix I've read on here.

[luckystrike]

The block must be permanent. It cannot be returned (at least without a lot of effort) to it's previous capacity.

its much easier to make the floor plate "permanent" than making the block permanent. a little roll pin or epoxy dose the job.

[Spearo]

If you want a ready-made 10rd PMAG, I make lots of different kinds: http://midwestpx.com/index.php?cPath=15

How reliable are your modified cut down 10rd PMags?

[onequickshift]

I get mine from Riflegear, for my fire arms that I keep in CA still. Ridic laws....god...i dislike that state....

[Sir Stunna Lot]

The general consensus here is that it is best to epoxy the block to the base plate AND to epoxy the base plate to the body. By doing this, the only way to "modify" it to >10 round is short from destroying the body and/or base plate cuz you'll have to cut through the epoxy.

Rivets and screw are too easily removable.

It all comes down to how a DA would present your case in front of a jury. Would they be convinced that the magazine was "permanently" modified if all it took to make it >10 rounds by unscrewing a screw or punching out a rivet and remove the limiting block? Or would u stand a better chance if the DA had to hack saw the mag just to take it apart?

[splashdown]

I would think that since law tents to look to other laws for presedence that IF a bullet button (radlock) with the screw that changes how the button functions has been deemed as compliment. then a mag with a machine screw in the base would follow the same logic.
my thought is that a hole in the base plate with a role pin preventing the base plate sliding, with a layer of epoxy (little glob) covering the pin should meet the criteria ?

my other thought is CA suck for having CA gun laws.
solution, some one from cal guns runs for office !!!!

[Sir Stunna Lot]

i tend to play on the safe side. by having the tacticool look of using 10/30 mags, ive given up the practicality option of taking my mag's apart for servicing. with that said, if i can no longer service my mags, there's really no reason not to make sure that the mag is permanently set up for 10 rounds. i know that with all the epoxy i put into each mags, i have zero worries on my mind if im ever questioned about it from a LEO. you will just gotta do what you can to live with peace of mind.

[splashdown]

good point
Im looking into getting... gasp.. 10RND mags for the range and keeping the rest locked up for Z-day.

[stix213]

At the end of the day, penal code 12020 says the mag has to be "Permanently modified" to 10 round capacity, but the courts and the DOJ have never described what this means, so it is all conjecture and opinion. Considering that it would be a wobbler felony charge, erring on the side of caution is smart. The 10/30's I've made have had their floorplates epoxied.

I'm going to test a 10 round .50 Beowulf mag with .223 tomorrow (holds up to 30 .223 rounds) with my featureless build I completed this week. Assuming those work, I don't know why anyone would want to play games with rebuild kits turned into 10/30's with the option of going to 30/30's, when 10 round beowulf mags are legal to purchase assembled.