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Sonny,
You're confusing sight radius and range vs. drop with absolute accuracy.
Holding other variables constant, short stiff barrels are more accurate that longer whippy barrels. Sometimes weights and special brakes can be positioned on longer barrels to 'tune out' resonances.
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San Jose, CA
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Jack
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How do you figure that? I guess you're not aware of the .50bmg pistols that have been built over the years. The only reason a .50bmg 16" barrel would be rare, is that you run into the problem of the powder not burning fast enough before the projectile leaves the barrel which would make it kind of pointless. Not something that would somehow tear your arm off(it's the weight and brake that lower felt recoil, not the barrel length).
I could make a 100 pound rifle with a 14.5" barrel and permanently attached brake, wouldn't tear your arm off in .50bmg.Comment
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True ya could, in fact go ahead I'd like to see the youtube video.
I'll tell ya what, my 11-87 had a TON more felt recoil when I swapped the 26 inch barrel out for an 18.5. My 14.5 and 16 inch AR's have a little less felt recoil then both of my 20's. Is there any scientific research other then my shoulder dyno.... no, but I've put a ton of rounds down range and these are my observations.Last edited by motorwerks; 08-10-2011, 5:21 PM.Comment
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What's so hard to understand about why the felt recoil is lowered? Chop 3 pounds off the weight of the rifle and yes, then you're going to feel more recoil as the mass of the rifle has less inertia to overcome, and can accelerate faster into your shoulder. If you took 3 pounds off of the weight of the barrel, and put 3 pounds worth of lead in the stock, it would be roughly the same. The length of the barrel is NOT affect this, the overall weight of the rifle is what is causing the difference. I'm willing to bet cash that you didn't increase the weight of the rest of your 11-87 to make up for the difference in weight from the barrel swap.True ya could, in fact go ahead I'd like to see the youtube video.
I'll tell ya what, my 11-87 had a TON more felt recoil when I swapped the 26 inch barrel out for an 18.5. My 14.5 and 16 inch AR's have a little less felt recoil then both of my 20's. Is there any scientific research other then my shoulder dyno.... no, but I've put a ton of rounds down range and these are my observations.
It's the same reason a 2" snubnose .357 magnum has more felt recoil than a 6" .357 magnum, it weighs a lot less. If you made the 2" just as heavy as the 6" it'd be the same(although muzzle flip could possibly still be slightly different due to how far away the weight is from the pivot point when we're talking about lengths this short).
2 rifles in the same caliber, .50bmg for ****s&giggles. A and B. Rifle A weighs 20 pounds, rifle B weighs 5 pounds. Rifle B could have a 32" barrel while rifle A has a 16" barrel. Because rifle A weighs 4 times as much, there is going to be less perceived recoil even though the barrel is only half as long as rifle B. I'm not sure why you would really need a video with 100 pound rifle stock and short barrel to explain this to you.
Newton's laws of motion explain it. I don't know if you never learned them in school(should have been covered in Jr High) or have simply forgotten, but they aren't overly complicated.Comment
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I haven't taken 3lbs off of any of them. I would say its basically ounces but whatever makes ya happy. you can go ahead and say theres 3lbs difference between my 20 inch AR and my 16, or that chopping 8inchs off my 11-87 then adding an extended tube to except 3 more rounds will add up to a loss of 3lbs but there is just simply no possible way I've cut even close to that off of any of these.Comment
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You either totally missed my point, or you're in denial and trolling. It doesn't matter if I said a pound or 10 pounds off the rifle when you put a shorter barrel on it. The fact is that you made the rifle lighter, and thus the felt recoil will be greater. The barrel length itself doesn't have anything to do it other than propelling the round faster and INCREASING the felt recoil if the rifle were the same weight.
Because you made the rifle lighter in weight by putting a shorter barrel on it(unless you put a shorter and thicker barrel on it), you have lowered the weight of the rifle and will feel more recoil. If you had weighed the barrels and then made sure the now shorter rifle weighed the same as it originally did, it would feel almost the same.
I don't get how you can still not understand this after reading Newton's laws of motion and apply all 3 of them to you, the firing of the rifle, and the rifle itself.
Get to reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newton%27s_laws_of_motionComment
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The loudness of the shot fired as heard by the shooter as well as any blast from the muzzle, dirt getting thrown, flames, etc. will all effect how you perceive the recoil, mosre blast and make it louder and your mind will tell you it kicked harder, even if it really didn't.
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Nope, 50s kick harder the longer the barrel.
Of course, it is a 50 so it's all kind of relative.
It's not PTSD, it's nostalgia.Comment
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Yea unless you get it leaded as a SHR. search please.Comment
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