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Not saying they're lying. Just that usage varies widely, and through my own personal experience, I don't like them. I had 3 different M68 Aimpoints throughout my years on active duty, each one for anywhere from 1-2 years. One patrol lasts anywhere from 6-14 hours. Generally, your red dot is on as soon as you roll out the gate, or at least mine was. Some people who were less likely to dismount (ie driver, TC) didn't always turn theirs on unless/until they were getting out of the truck...I just had mine on at all times just in case. Turned it off when I rolled back in the gate. Each one of those aimpoints got noticeably dimmer to the point where I'd start off with in at about 5/10 brightness on the first patrol, 7/10th or 8/10 on the second or third, and by the time I had to crank it to max power it would last maybe one or two more days and I'd have to change the battery because even though it was visible, it wasn't always visible against brighter colored objects. Not a lot of shade in the desert, so running it at higher power longer is obviously PART of the equation, but...yeah. Either way I still carried around extra batteries from my supply section just in case we got stuck out there longer (as often happened). Could have been the ****ty quality of the batteries we were getting issued, I don't know, but either way it turned me off to M68. Also, quoted from Wikipedia:
This happened quite often, which was another reason I always kept extra batteries on me. With that rotational switch vs the recessed push button of an EoTech, you could pretty much count on your scope turning on every time you walked anywhere with it slung. Given that we had to carry our weapons everywhere, except when showering, that happened pretty often. So when your red dot is on nearly 24/7, often at max or near max power, battery life is nowhere near the claimed 50,000 hours. Think about it like this - you buy a laptop that says it has "up to 8 hours of continuous use battery life". Now take that laptop, go out into the sun with it, crank up the screen brightness to max, and try watching a movie. See if it lasts through the movie, or even anywhere near that 8 hour mark. My bet is it won't. Those "maximum hours" estimate/claims are often at reduced usage levels, akin to "hypermilers" eking out 50 mpg out of a pickup truck by coasting, shutting it off on long downhills, etc...stuff that normal users probably won't be doing. If your aimpoint has lasted you 1.5 years, I would venture a guess that the only times it's turned on is when you're at the range, and even then probably not continuously for the few hours you're there. I'm glad you like it, as to each their own and if it works for you great. Mine worked wonderfully when the batteries were fresh, and I could put 18 rounds into a 25m zero target with a dime sized shot group. But that unreliability really killed it for me. That and as I stated earlier, it didn't withstand the same abuse the ACOGs did.The CompM2 is often faulted for its short battery life when the dot visibility is set too high, which is necessary for bright environments. The On/Off/Visibility knob is also prone to turning unintentionally when the weapon is stowed or retrieved, such as when mounting and dismounting vehicles. Batteries often burn out due to unintentional engagement of the sight's power. Large rubber bands are sometimes used on the sight to keep the knob from turning accidentally.
This, pretty much. I made sure to not only carry extra batteries for myself but for my guys too. We changed/distributed batteries when we dispatched our trucks in the motor pool or as needed if more often. Dispatching was done once a week.
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for the woundedwarrior project. I raised almost $1,000 through donations for them when I did the Tough Mudder race.
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ima probly get flak for this but i put a vortex crossfire on my adams arms upper build i couldn't be more happy with it...never left zero or had any problems.Comment
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Good info, thanks. I actually keep my Aimpoints on all the time, regardless of sitting in the safe or at the range. My H1 is on setting 8 out of 12, my M4 on setting 11 out of 16. Those levels keep a happy medium- usually too bright for nighttime, and not quite bright enough for a bright day. Its easy to adjust one or two clicks up/down.Not saying they're lying. Just that usage varies widely, and through my own personal experience, I don't like them. I had 3 different M68 Aimpoints throughout my years on active duty, each one for anywhere from 1-2 years. One patrol lasts anywhere from 6-14 hours. Generally, your red dot is on as soon as you roll out the gate, or at least mine was. Some people who were less likely to dismount (ie driver, TC) didn't always turn theirs on unless/until they were getting out of the truck...I just had mine on at all times just in case. Turned it off when I rolled back in the gate. Each one of those aimpoints got noticeably dimmer to the point where I'd start off with in at about 5/10 brightness on the first patrol, 7/10th or 8/10 on the second or third, and by the time I had to crank it to max power it would last maybe one or two more days and I'd have to change the battery because even though it was visible, it wasn't always visible against brighter colored objects. Not a lot of shade in the desert, so running it at higher power longer is obviously PART of the equation, but...yeah. Either way I still carried around extra batteries from my supply section just in case we got stuck out there longer (as often happened). Could have been the ****ty quality of the batteries we were getting issued, I don't know, but either way it turned me off to M68. Also, quoted from Wikipedia:
This happened quite often, which was another reason I always kept extra batteries on me. With that rotational switch vs the recessed push button of an EoTech, you could pretty much count on your scope turning on every time you walked anywhere with it slung. Given that we had to carry our weapons everywhere, except when showering, that happened pretty often. So when your red dot is on nearly 24/7, often at max or near max power, battery life is nowhere near the claimed 50,000 hours. Think about it like this - you buy a laptop that says it has "up to 8 hours of continuous use battery life". Now take that laptop, go out into the sun with it, crank up the screen brightness to max, and try watching a movie. See if it lasts through the movie, or even anywhere near that 8 hour mark. My bet is it won't. Those "maximum hours" estimate/claims are often at reduced usage levels, akin to "hypermilers" eking out 50 mpg out of a pickup truck by coasting, shutting it off on long downhills, etc...stuff that normal users probably won't be doing. If your aimpoint has lasted you 1.5 years, I would venture a guess that the only times it's turned on is when you're at the range, and even then probably not continuously for the few hours you're there. I'm glad you like it, as to each their own and if it works for you great. Mine worked wonderfully when the batteries were fresh, and I could put 18 rounds into a 25m zero target with a dime sized shot group. But that unreliability really killed it for me. That and as I stated earlier, it didn't withstand the same abuse the ACOGs did.
This, pretty much. I made sure to not only carry extra batteries for myself but for my guys too. We changed/distributed batteries when we dispatched our trucks in the motor pool or as needed if more often. Dispatching was done once a week.
P.S. for the woundedwarrior project. I raised almost $1,000 through donations for them when I did the Tough Mudder race.
It may just be that the newer ACET in the micro's and M4 have something to do with better battery life than that of the older M2's.
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Primary Arms if you're on a budget.Comment
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I also leave two of my Aimpoints on all the time, one M3 and one T-1. This thread reminds me batteries have been in for over 2 years, the red dots are still the same brightness, but I should change the batteries just to be sure. The M3s, M4s, and T-1, H-1, and Pro have the Aimpoint ACET circuitry that has an insanely long battery life. In my view the ruggedness and the long battery life are the deciding factors in my choice of Aimpoints for all my carbine red dot optics. The only downside is they are expensive, but you get what you pay for.Comment
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just wondering if all of these aimpoints are sitting ontop of BCM rifles/uppersBut I being poor, have only my dreams. I have spread my dreams under your feet. Tread softely, because you tread on my dreams.Comment
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You leave your Aimpoint on 24/7 on 8/12? Interesting...maybe it's just that we were issued older ones or something? I dunno.
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