Stag Arms Quality Review

[pyro3k2]

GD! do I love this thread

[kazman]

Mus admit I'm enjoyin this meself

[RMTactical]

So you think you are going to win friends here by insulting Riflegear and me...well me I can see, you can win plenty of sales that way...

whatever man. You have shown us your true colors. The only reason come here and the only reason you write that blog is to sell people your stuff.

A very smart man once said, "THE LAST PERSON YOU SHOULD EXPECT TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH IS THE GUY SELLING YOU THE ITEM."

bullseye. Your blog is gibberish, nonsense and you have shown you only know what other salesman have told you...nothing.

so once again...are you going to pay to be a vendor here or just pimp your website for suckers to fleece?

I don't know anything about riflegear. I've made no comment about them, but if you represent them in any kind of official capacity, that would tell me plenty about them.

[HK Dave]

Diesel doesn't represent Riflegear.com as far as I know anyhow. He is a pretty smart guy when it comes to AR15s... yes sometimes he comes off as a little hmm... forceful? Not sure what the right term is... but that's to be expected from someone his age and experience. (I respect my elders :P No I'm not a kid, i'm in my mid 30s) Many of us here at calguns do appreciate him.

Riflegear is the prime example of how a gun business is done right. Their customer service is top notch, their prices are fair/good for a brick and mortar and they stock a huge variety of rifles and parts. They never try to cheat anyone and are upfront about everything. No switching out of parts, always honest in their dealings.

I've yet to meet someone that had something to say about Riflegear.

As a disclaimer, I don't work for Riflegear, I don't even do a lot of my shopping there, but every time I do shop there, and every time I've spoken to the fine folks there, I was a very satisfied customer.

I'm not a HUGE gun nut... but i do make an average of about $5k-$8K in gun stuff a year if that's worth anything.

[Just-in]

So other than the gas key not being staked what are people griping about when it comes to stag uppers?

[dieselpower]

So other than the gas key not being staked what are people griping about when it comes to stag uppers?

The gripes
1) Non-High Pressure tested Bolts.
2) Non-Magnetic particle tested Bolts
3) Non-Shot peen Bolts.

Shot peening adds to the strength of metal. If the non-shot peen part meets or exceeds the required strength..why do you care?
Tested bolts fail just as often as non-tested bolts. The heating and cooling of the Bolt along with the constant torsion of the cam causes failure at some point. The testing will only reveal flaws in a newly manufactured Bolt that will cause premature failure within a set amount of time due to the type of flaw those test reveal. If your Bolt last 500 rounds...it doesn't have that flaw. A tested "Good" Bolt can fail before or after 500 rds just the same as one NOT tested. A batch test is when a manufacture produces 100 Bolts and randomly tests 10 of them. If they all pass the test, the remaining 90 are sold. People gripe about batch testing. CMT/Stag normally only batch test unless you ask for a tested part.

4) Rifle Twist. People think because the military likes 1:7 that 1:7 is the best twist. Its not. 1:8 is the best twist rate. 1:9 is used by a majority of AR15 manufacturers since its the best twist for 55 gr (the most common round). The only reason the military went to 1:7 was due to them designing the 69gr round. 1:7, 1:8, 1:9 are all fine.

5) Barrel steel. Since someone found out a Mil-spec requiring a vendor to test any barrel made with 4150CMV was written and that Colt and FN comply with that mil-spec, they twisted that fact into a sales pitch saying that the 4150CMV was the best barrel steel. Its not. 4150CMV has a serious flaw. while it does provide the barrel the capability to heat past 1200 degrees and NOT melt until 1500 degrees. The flaw is if it is in fact heated past 1100 there is a increasing chance the steel will develop micro-cracks when the molecules form improper bonds. If this happens and the barrel is then heated past 500 degrees the barrel will explode. It can no long hold up under the pressures of the 5.56 or .223 round. Standard weapons grade steel of 4140CM does not have this flaw. It will not heat up past 1200 though, at about 1100 degrees it turns white hot and will just droop like a wet noodle. People have this mall ninja mindset that they will need suppressive fire combating hordes of zombies and need a 4150CMV for the extra heat resistance. They dont understand that if you heat a barrel to this level you MUST replace it. The wear factory when heated really plays a slight role as well. The extra carbon content of 4150 is minuscule at best. The reason the Military wrote Mil-B-11595E was to insure anyone offering a 4150CMV did so under a standard. The military doesn't require 4140CM to meet that standard due to the fact you really cant screw up 4140 like you can screw up 4150CMV. There is no reason to test 4140CM. Most barrel manufacture offer 4150CMV because the customer is always right...they realize there is little chance a semi-auto is going to over heat and cause an explosion unless the user is trying to do that. In that instance the user is abusing the barrel and that in itself clears the manufacture of all liability. This is the same logic with 1:7... the manufactures dont want to educate, they want to sell...so they offer 4150CMV 1:7 and use the "just like the military" sales pitch.

6) M4 feed ramps. The M4 has a fast cyclic rate due to the gas port location. That full auto cyclic rate needs a extended ramp for the rounds to load properly due to the extra mass of the BCG and Buffer. The force that the BCG is shoving the round into the chamber causes the nose to jump. Unless you have a F/A BCG and a Heavy buffer you do not need M4 ramps. Its all about the balance of mass forcing the round into the chamber. If you have a standard gas system, you don't need a F/A BCG or a heavy buffer. The 18" and 20" rifles do not need M4 ramps either.

Thats just off the top of my head. If I missed something I am sorry.

[Raptor1Ronin]

very Nice!

[Cokebottle]

Unless Riflegear bought the parts and assembled the BCG themselves and sold it in a Stag upper.

Not impossible. Seems very likely to me.

You obviously don't know the guys at Riflegear.

I admit as much. However, I do know the guys at Stag quite well.

I don't know anything about riflegear. I've made no comment about them, but if you represent them in any kind of official capacity, that would tell me plenty about them.

Uh, ya, you kinda did.
My comment was completely sarcastic... everyone on this forum knows that they would not do something like that.

Riflegear is one of several EBR dealers in Orange County, and is a highly respected member of the Calguns community.

And no, DP doesn't work for them... doesn't even live within 50 miles of them.

But this isn't the first time that RG has been dissed by a wannabe.
Another local EBR dealer made the claim (to a customer, not on the forum) that the "Riflegear" branded uppers were blems and 2nds from Daniel Defense production.

[RMTactical]

Diesel doesn't represent Riflegear.com as far as I know anyhow. He is a pretty smart guy when it comes to AR15s... yes sometimes he comes off as a little hmm... forceful? Not sure what the right term is... but that's to be expected from someone his age and experience. (I respect my elders :P No I'm not a kid, i'm in my mid 30s) Many of us here at calguns do appreciate him.

Riflegear is the prime example of how a gun business is done right. Their customer service is top notch, their prices are fair/good for a brick and mortar and they stock a huge variety of rifles and parts. They never try to cheat anyone and are upfront about everything. No switching out of parts, always honest in their dealings.

I've yet to meet someone that had something to say about Riflegear.

As a disclaimer, I don't work for Riflegear, I don't even do a lot of my shopping there, but every time I do shop there, and every time I've spoken to the fine folks there, I was a very satisfied customer.

I'm not a HUGE gun nut... but i do make an average of about $5k-$8K in gun stuff a year if that's worth anything.

That all may be true. I've never dealt with them.

Uh, ya, you kinda did.
My comment was completely sarcastic... everyone on this forum knows that they would not do something like that.

Riflegear is one of several EBR dealers in Orange County, and is a highly respected member of the Calguns community.

And no, DP doesn't work for them... doesn't even live within 50 miles of them.

But this isn't the first time that RG has been dissed by a wannabe.
Another local EBR dealer made the claim (to a customer, not on the forum) that the "Riflegear" branded uppers were blems and 2nds from Daniel Defense production.

You and Diesel seems like prime examples of people that like to find things to complain about and pick fights. Sadly, I am willing to bet that I would agree on many things with Diesel, but I somehow doubt he cares enough to admit as much. He seems too busy looking for someone to fight with, I don't really feel like indulging him at this moment unfortunately.

Truth is, if you think that is me insulting or stating anything about riflegear, you are a fool.

All I am saying is what I know. Stag has never done anything like that, that would lead me personally to believe they forget to stake a random BCG. I'm not saying it's impossible, all I am saying is, I trust Stag more than any "random" company out there. And that is all riflegear is to me. Once again, not saying that Stag is above that. Just saying it seems unlikely. If that was unclear to you, maybe you should learn to read.

Never once did I speak ill of them like you seem to be insinuating. Nice try though.

However, I don't even see how it matters. A bad stake job is just as bad as a non-staking job. I stake my own keys personally anyways.

And to take it all a step further, how do we know that what you are claiming is legit? Not saying it isn't legit, but I would trust Stag over a random internet forum poster as well. You could be telling the truth, I don't know. That's the thing.

I can only say what I know based on my experience, and you can claim I am trying to sell you snake oil if you choose. Or, if you know me, and have seen me post on various forums over the years, maybe, just maybe, you would give me more credit than you do. As of now, you seem to be simply looking for a fight because someone disagreed with your "friend".

[dieselpower]

^ And I will stick to my words...
1) Your link is NOT a review of Stags quality
2) You provide more erroneous information than good information
3) Your website is a sales pitch only
4) You don't give a poop about quality, the people of CA or this forum...you just want sales.

[RMTactical]

Wrong!



Thanks for playing!

[rodeoflyer]

My upper came directly from Stag and is staked.....

Mine too.

There are guys who NEVER open the hood of their cars. My brother-in-law owns several BMWs and has NEVER popped the hood. Its been to the shop several times...but BMWs are the best cars...LOL

To own any firearm means you must understand it. You must know and practice solid Known good practices. There is a reason I link both TM9s in my signature. Every AR15 owners should have a copy of these.

TM9-1005-319-10 and TM9-1005-319-23. You need to down load these as an owner. What is written on the side of your rifle means ZERO, the knowledge you have on that rifle is paramount.

I did some time ago - thanks to you and your sig line.

Wrong!



Thanks for playing!

Judging strictly off of your demeanor in this forum - I will NEVER buy a thing from you. Congratulations.

[Cokebottle]

Like Bill W said...

Some California gun dealers would open a restaurant, name it "Sliced dead animals" and b!tch that they had no customers.

[9-12]

I read this entire thread last night and felt like I needed a shower. What a pissing match. Mr Diesel, you were no more helpful than you were considerate or respectful. All I heard from you is "I know more than you, and I'm better than you." All you did was write out a bunch of technical babble that anyone with medium reading comprehension could learn (or copy and paste) in a day on the internet. If you were truly wanting to be helpful and not just braggadocios, you'd offer some insight like what the proper torque is on the gas key bolts. What the proper torque sequence is, what the proper torque lube is (you do know that the lube effects the torque, right?) and you'd offer some advice on how to check to see if the gas key is leaking or not. Do you use Loctite? Red or blue? Is that the lube, or do you use lube and Loctite? Are there better or worse screws to use? You might offer some installation tips, too. Is this an assembly that might benefit from a quick and easy lapping process? You might offer some other insight into the differences between manufacturers like who holds better tolerances on their parts or what company uses better machines or better materials to make their parts, other than barrels.
You have a long way to go before you criticize someone else for doing a lot of talking and not being informative. As a layman, I've gotten zero useful information out of anything you've posted as of yet except self congratulations and trivial blah blah blah.
JMO.

[Cali-Shooter]

Stag Lowers are full of win.

End of Story.