PARA Ordnance TTR upper not for California?

[MNU1978]

This is my first post and I'll start it with a question: On Para ordnance's website they say they cannot sell the TTR Kits (Upper Receiver) to residents of California.

I am assuming its because of the AWB and things like that. But given the changes in the laws of the last several years being that OLL's are legal to purchase and then build a complete rifle with the magazine locks, I would think that the TTR kits would be ok to purchase.

Does anyone know of a dealer in California or a distributor that can get these? I have been looking for a upper for my second AR build, and I fell in love with this one when I saw it.

Any information would be helpful.

Thanks.

[FeuerFrei]

There are lots of out of state dealers that can sell one to you.
As long as it ends up with a BB or featureless config it is GTG.
The NO SALE TO CA crap is PARA being PARANOID!

[tomd1584]

Call Henderson Defense or Quentin Defense, I'm sure they'll help you get it.

Tom

[jkcerda]

Welcome to CG's.

I did not see a price for the uppers.

[RugerNo1]

They are around.

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/default.aspx?productNumber=954944

[dieselpower]

You will find this all over the net. Other states dont know our laws.

You really get mad when they know better, they just dont like CA so they will not research the law or even know the law is BS...they just hide behind it.

[CHS]

An upper is just parts. Nothing about an upper makes it illegal to have in CA. While you have to be careful about the resulting configuration of a complete rifle, the upper itself is legal by default.

[mlevans66]

Why in the world is this not legal in Ca.? It's just an upper! I saw the whole rifle at Turners in San Marcos.

[CHS]

Why in the world is this not legal in Ca.? It's just an upper! I saw the whole rifle at Turners in San Marcos.

See:

An upper is just parts. Nothing about an upper makes it illegal to have in CA. While you have to be careful about the resulting configuration of a complete rifle, the upper itself is legal by default.

[huskydog]

Would this be under 30" with the stock folded?

[RugerNo1]

I am pretty sure it is not with a standard flash hider, but I do not have any hard numbers. Extended muzzle devices do exist to help with that though...

[bwiese]

This is my first post and I'll start it with a question: On Para ordnance's website they say they cannot sell the TTR Kits (Upper Receiver) to residents of California.

I am assuming its because of the AWB and things like that. But given the changes in the laws of the last several years being that OLL's are legal to purchase and then build a complete rifle with the magazine locks, I would think that the TTR kits would be ok to purchase.

Does anyone know of a dealer in California or a distributor that can get these? I have been looking for a upper for my second AR build, and I fell in love with this one when I saw it.

Any information would be helpful.

Thanks.

Hmm. I spoke with Thanos Polyazos (their President, nice guy, has worked with us on some handgun Roster issues in past) at the 2010 SHOT Show last year and sent them an email afterward about this.

I'lll have to give him a ring again.

The upper and stock are of no different legality than other uppers and stocks - other than the fact their stock folds (due to the nature of their ZM-Weapons-derived action which does not require a buffer tube/receiver extension), so one must pin it open such that it can't under 30" min OAL length. (The BulletButton maglock does not remove the need to maintain the 30" overall length.)

[CHS]

Would this be under 30" with the stock folded?

Probably. Which doesn't matter because the upper is still just parts that are legal. Like I said earlier, you would have to be careful of the final configuration, but that rings true of ANY upper. Regardless, uppers themselves are not controlled items in CA.