AK at 300 yards/meters and beyond

[Vepr62]

soviet

I am not the SOVIET, I am Ukrainian, and I always was. I am one of those that were considered the "anemies of the people" by the soviets. But back then everyone was considered the soviet, or Russian, regardles of nationality.
Vasiliy

[Davidoff]

Well, IIRC the official range of an M-16 according to the Air Force is 800m for area targets and 550m for a man sized target. (I forget what the official term is for that.) So, if an AR can't be expected to hit a target at 1000m (in the hands of a moderately trained Airman), I wouldn't expect an AK to do any better. Not that it can't in a more accurate config, but a standard AK would have a tough time past 300m. I also remember reading something about having to hold 24in high for a 300m target with a 7.62x39, so it seems the trajectory is against you as well. I just wish we could get the "Golani" from Century in this darned state. The Galil is pretty much as close as you can get to a good middle ground for less than $1k. I remember when I was a kid growing up in Israel and we picked up some soldiers hitchiking from Mt. Hermon down to Ra'anana, one of them let me hold his Galil. I think it was the first firearm I handled actually. It had a wooden forearm but other that that it looked just like the one Century is selling.

[Lateralus]

I am not the SOVIET, I am Ukrainian, and I always was. I am one of those that were considered the "anemies of the people" by the soviets. But back then everyone was considered the soviet, or Russian, regardles of nationality.
Vasiliy

good to know. its nice to have other perspectives on this board

[bigthaiboy]

Not meaning to hijack thread, but a while back, I watched a documentary about life as conscripts in the Russian army in the 90's. The documentary was called "Soldat". It showed that there was a lot of hidden violence on new recruits and life was hard for them in the first 6 to 12 months. There was like three tiers of hierarchy of more senior soldiers who bullied the newer recruits into cleaning and doing chores for them. Similar to a hierarchy systems you might expect to find in prisons. Life can be pretty tough as a "soldat".

[Cato]

Not meaning to hijack thread, but a while back, I watched a documentary about life as conscripts in the Russian army in the 90's. The documentary was called "Soldat". It showed that there was a lot of hidden violence on new recruits and life was hard for them in the first 6 to 12 months. There was like three tiers of hierarchy of more senior soldiers who bullied the newer recruits into cleaning and doing chores for them. Similar to a hierarchy systems you might expect to find in prisons. Life can be pretty tough as a "soldat".

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Dude, it's like that in the US Navy; at least it was in the early 90s when I was at sea. I was on a guided missle cruiser but it's worse on the larger ships such as carriers and tenders. I would guess it's worse now with the lower standards in recruitment.

[Oswald2001]

I just wish we could get the "Golani" from Century in this darned state. The Galil is pretty much as close as you can get to a good middle ground for less than $1k. I remember when I was a kid growing up in Israel and we picked up some soldiers hitchiking from Mt. Hermon down to Ra'anana, one of them let me hold his Galil. I think it was the first firearm I handled actually. It had a wooden forearm but other that that it looked just like the one Century is selling.

You can get one legally.

Find an agreeable seller and an agreeable CA FFL.

Send them a fixed stock. I have bought a couple wooden fixed Galil stocks off of www.gunbroker.com . You can also have them send a folding stock that is 'permanently' in the full open position.

Have them take off the pistol grip and flash hider. AFAIK, these can be included separately in the box in which the rifle is shipped.

That's it. Because with a fixed stock, no flash hider and no pistol grip...the only 1 single remaining 'evil' feature is the detachable mag.

Or...you can buy an ORF receiver, Galil kit and have one built CA legal.

[bigthaiboy]

Dude, it's like that in the US Navy; at least it was in the early 90s when I was at sea. I was on a guided missle cruiser but it's worse on the larger ships such as carriers and tenders. I would guess it's worse now with the lower standards in recruitment.

That's a terrible thing to hear.

In the "Soldat" documentary, the 3 tiers of hierarchy were :
the lowest tier were soldiers who have been in the army for less than 12 months who served the,
Second tier soldiers who had been in for 12-18 months, who then served the
Third tier who were coming toweards the end of their army service : 18-24 months.

The lower tiered soldiers would be singled out for almost daily beatings by their higher tiered "superiors" until they complied. So by the final 6 months of their army service the highest tiered soldiers didn't have to do any of their own chores in the barrack room.

What is interesting about this documentary was the camp commander got his soldiers to put up tall fencing around his vehicle compound to prevent any more trucks and APC's from being stolen, as he has lost several vehicles to theives. His problem was he could not afford to lose any more since he had not been resupplied with any new vehicles since 1990. This documentary was made around 1998 or 1999.

[Cato]

That's a terrible thing to hear.

In the "Soldat" documentary, the 3 tiers of hierarchy were :
the lowest tier were soldiers who have been in the army for less than 12 months who served the,
Second tier soldiers who had been in for 12-18 months, who then served the
Third tier who were coming toweards the end of their army service : 18-24 months.

The lower tiered soldiers would be singled out for almost daily beatings by their higher tiered "superiors" until they complied. So by the final 6 months of their army service the highest tiered soldiers didn't have to do any of their own chores in the barrack room.

What is interesting about this documentary was the camp commander got his soldiers to put up tall fencing around his vehicle compound to prevent any more trucks and APC's from being stolen, as he has lost several vehicles to theives. His problem was he could not afford to lose any more since he had not been resupplied with any new vehicles since 1990. This documentary was made around 1998 or 1999.

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Well, maybe it isnt that bad. But new sailors to the ship have to work in the galley from 4:30am until 7:30pm. Then there are drills at night: fire, general quarters, etc. "Mess Cranking" lasted 90 days when I was in the fleet. Your clothes just get heavy with lard and rotten food smell. Since you are new you are a target of lots of gags ie "please go ask Lt so and so for some batteries for our sound powered phones." Like prison, you better know where to sit on the mess decks. In our ship, the booths in the rear were for the militant African American Muslims. The front were for the Filipinos. African American gang members on the side. If you work in the Executive department, dont expect any hot water for showers...the Engineers wont turn it on for your berthing (really funny huh?). After you are done "cranking" you will spend most of your time cleaning heads with no cleaning materials. Supply department wont give you anything...pine oil is too valuable to give to a seaman from another department. Then there are the thiefs who know how to break into guys lockers. When you get your crow (E-4) or a warfare pin, it's tacting time! Well this has become a rant.
Being a surface sailor you dont see much combat but you fight your own kind of battles.

[Ak47owner]

i built my ak from a romanian g kit on a global trades reciever............ i guess i got one of the lucky ones because ive been able to hit at 1000m target on 1 out of 10 rounds some times even 2 out of 10 and i did have a spoter conforming the hits so either my weapon is sighted in really good or i just got a good shot.

[Morales]

J&G sales has Galil kits for under 300, I am really tempted but I don't know who has the receiver. I just hijacked my own thread by the way.

[andrey320]

Russian army is tough. I am also from Ukraine. Never got to go to the army (thank God) - left to the US in time.
There was a highly publisized story recently about a recruit that was beat so bad, and left without attention, he had to have the lower half of his body amputated.

[Davidoff]

J&G sales has Galil kits for under 300, I am really tempted but I don't know who has the receiver. I just hijacked my own thread by the way.

Congrats on the Self-Hijack.