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  • #46
    captbilly
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2010
    • 836

    I have a Geissele match trigger and 2 RRA Match triggers

    The Rock River arms "match" trigger is a super deal. I have heard of older ones having some trouble with wear, but I have not hear this about the new ones. I have fired my Rock River in my target .223 AR probably 500 times, dry fired another 500 times (maybe more), it feels the same as new. My Geissele Match trigger is certainly nicer then the Rock River, but for almost 3 times the price it had better be. My Geissele is fully adjustable for take up, over travel, engagement, and pull, so it isn't really comparable to a non-adjustable Rock River (or Geissele SSA) but you can't beat it on an AR. However I did have a problem with the Geissele disengaging the disconnector the last time I went to the range. After a shot I would have to pull the trigger a second time and then release the trigger to get the disconnector to let go. when I came back from the range I cleaned the gun and lubed the sear with grease (comes with the trigger) so I will see how the trigger does next time. The problem occurred on about one shot out of 3, and had never happened any other time that I had shot the rifle. Maybe a piece of grit got stuck on the sear.

    One thing to think about when comparing some trigger jobs (as well as many single stage triggers from aftermarket sources) to a good 2 stage AR trigger, is that the good 2 stage triggers (RRA, Geissele, etc.) has a full power hammer spring but gets it lighter pull from a totally different geometry rather then counting on polished surfaces and lighter hammer springs. The lock time on an AR is already very long compared to a decent bolt action rifle. By lightening the hammer spring you make that 15+ms lock time even longer, as well as making a misfire more likely (especially with hard primers). The Geissele and Rock River trigger do not use lighter hammer springs, but they do reduce the lock time with lighter hammers. So with a good trigger you get both full power to the primer, and greatly reduced lock times, with a lighter pull and sharper break. I personally like the idea of matching a lighter firing pin to a lightened hammer. As a physicist I know that the mass of the hammer needs to be matched to the mass of the firing pin to get the most energy transfered to the primer. I have been running a titanium firing pin on my target AR-15 for about 6 months, and though I cannot say for sure that it has made any difference (since I never had a misfire without it) it does work well. I have not put a titanium firing pin in my LR.308 because I can't find one, but the Geissele trigger has never failed to ignite the primer on any ammo I have tried (and I am constantly testing ammo, from surplus to match to handloads.)

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    • #47
      rattlesnake_nm
      Banned
      • Jan 2011
      • 666

      Originally posted by BigfootHunter
      Yikes, definitely hope everything turns out ok for you. Bummer if it's fraud.
      I feel like a total dick. The guy Pete shipped it out last week. His emails were going to my spam box. I sent him a nasty email, and he has been trying to get a hold of me. Anyway, he is still running the sale $89 shipped. Make sure to check Your spam folder if using yahoo. This guy is legit, and I am an ***. $89 shipped is the best price anywhere. Get em while they are on sale.

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      • #48
        kozumasbullitt
        CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
        • Oct 2009
        • 2912

        I vote for Geissele triggers. I used to run RRA match triggers but after my first Geissele, everything that I own has a Geissele. I do believe there is a reason for the big price difference between the two and once you really hold a Geissele and use one you will feel the price is justified.

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        • #49
          BOFH
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 504

          Originally posted by rattlesnake_nm
          I feel like a total dick. The guy Pete shipped it out last week. His emails were going to my spam box. I sent him a nasty email, and he has been trying to get a hold of me. Anyway, he is still running the sale $89 shipped. Make sure to check Your spam folder if using yahoo. This guy is legit, and I am an ***. $89 shipped is the best price anywhere. Get em while they are on sale.
          Where is the D'oh! icon?

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          • #50
            BobbyZ
            Member
            • Mar 2011
            • 188

            Originally posted by rattlesnake_nm
            I feel like a total dick. The guy Pete shipped it out last week. His emails were going to my spam box. I sent him a nasty email, and he has been trying to get a hold of me. Anyway, he is still running the sale $89 shipped. Make sure to check Your spam folder if using yahoo. This guy is legit, and I am an ***. $89 shipped is the best price anywhere. Get em while they are on sale.
            No way. I'd feel like a total doucher. ha. Thanks for doing all the work as I might have to jump on this wagon.
            >>>>>----BobZilla----->

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            • #51
              BobbyZ
              Member
              • Mar 2011
              • 188

              Got the 2-stage LPK for $129.
              >>>>>----BobZilla----->

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              • #52
                rattlesnake_nm
                Banned
                • Jan 2011
                • 666

                Originally posted by BobbyZ
                Got the 2-stage LPK for $129.
                Great deal. Yeah I do feel like a total douche. Maybe I'll send him some flowers

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                • #53
                  rattlesnake_nm
                  Banned
                  • Jan 2011
                  • 666

                  So I just put the rra trigger in with my heavy hammer spring to crack 5.45x39 russian primers, and it is a huge improvement. Installation was easy using a slave pin from gisselle. The oversized pins were kinda weird, but tapped right in with a jewlers hammer. This is a nice trigger. I imagine it would be even nicer with a normal hammer spring. For $89 this is a great trigger.

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                  • #54
                    rattlesnake_nm
                    Banned
                    • Jan 2011
                    • 666

                    Oh, and the rra instructions say to remove the grip, and selector. It is unnecessary. I was able to easily install it with the selector in place.

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                    • #55
                      capitol
                      Veteran Member
                      • Oct 2005
                      • 2503

                      IMHO people who like Bill Springfield TG work are trying to save a buck or two and cant/wont buy a professionally manufactured TG's like Geissele or a TG module like a Timney.

                      There is a noticeable difference and Im still not sure why people pay the extra for his 3# pull when its NEVER a 3 pound pull

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                      • #56
                        hammerhands32
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 1079



                        I have an Armalite NM trigger. I have never had a problem with it and everyone who shoots my rifle says it has a great trigger, but I also don't have experience with any others. Just putting out options.
                        Pr. 22:3 The prudent see danger and take refuge, but the simple keep going and pay the penalty.

                        Don't Listen to me, I had bad grades in high school....

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                        • #57
                          SPR18
                          Member
                          • Mar 2010
                          • 297

                          Originally posted by rattlesnake_nm
                          Not looking good. I suggest not ordering from this company. Very well could be a fraud. I emailed them asking with zero response. Still no trigger, and no reply. They did process the payment, so I may need to file a fraud claim with my bank when ever the time limit is up for them to make good. I will give it another week.
                          did you call them, they are real i order a stag kit from them b4...but it true they are very slow

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                          • #58
                            DocSkinner
                            Senior Member
                            • Jan 2005
                            • 1225

                            Timney drop ins. Can't get simpler, and an excellent trigger.
                            "If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature,
                            but by our institutions, great is our sin."
                            -- Charles Darwin

                            NRA Life, CRPA Life, SASS Life, NRA Certified Pistol Instructor & Range Safety Officer, FSC Instructor

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                            • #59
                              BOFH
                              Senior Member
                              • Sep 2008
                              • 504

                              Originally posted by capitol
                              IMHO people who like Bill Springfield TG work are trying to save a buck or two and cant/wont buy a professionally manufactured TG's like Geissele or a TG module like a Timney.

                              There is a noticeable difference and Im still not sure why people pay the extra for his 3# pull when its NEVER a 3 pound pull
                              Or...perhaps some of us are buying his trigger work and are getting exactly what we want...

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