Have you been stopped/checked at the range, AW????

[Cokebottle]

How would anyone be able to tell if you had it "pre ban" or not? Some of us older 30yr+ guys could legally own the hi caps and detach mags.

But no, no one to date has checked me.

High caps are a completely different issue from registered assault weapons.
Registered assault weapons are, well, registered.
If you didn't have it pre-ban, you couldn't register it later, and you can not transfer a RAW to anyone inside of California other than an FFL that has an AW permit.

Unlike high-caps, there is no legal way for a civilian to possess an assault weapon that they did not register during the grace period, and also unlike high-caps, where the crime is manufacture or importation, with a statute of limitations of 36 months, mere possession of an unregistered assault weapon is a continuing crime. The statute of limitations would begin counting down the day that the person in possession either sold the gun out of state or destroyed the receiver.


BUT....

The law does not require that you carry your registration paperwork with you. If a cop believes that it is an illegal gun, they can (and will) run the serial number. The serial number will come back as a RAW, and with the name of the person it is registered to.
That doesn't mean that it's "wrong" for a range to want to see paperwork. If it's policy, it's policy. They have the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason other than the few classes that are protected by anti-discrimination laws.

But the above poster's example about his conversation with the Albany cop is a perfect example of why WE should not "shoot first and ask questions later" when we see what we believe to be an illegal weapon at the range. Sure, if you see an 18 year old who arrived with a group of people of the same age and you see him drop a high cap from an AR and it's not an AR-22, ya... you are most likely seeing an illegal weapon. OTOH, if the guy's father is standing behind the line, it may very well be 100% legal with the gun registered to dad.

[jbush]

I don't carry paperwork for my blackies, its 2011...people been living under a rock? If the leo doesn't know they are legal by now, he probably shouldn't be a leo. If he chooses to make it a deal its going to be a very expensive lesson on the city's behalf and the leo, not mine.

I was assuming the Rebellious was referring to the LEO on the street. Obviously a leo at a range should know the law inside and out, upside down and backwards. I just know that expensive lessons for the city and leo usual turn out to be expensive lessons for all involved. Leos get paid to go to court, I do not, meaning time off work etc. and civil action against a city or leo can be time consuming and expensive and they have their own lawyers. Way to much grieve for me. I'd rather avoid the confrontation and spend my time enjoying life and my guns. Just think it would be easier to educate and move on.

[locosway]

I was assuming the Rebellious was referring to the LEO on the street. Obviously a leo at a range should know the law inside and out, upside down and backwards. I just know that expensive lessons for the city and leo usual turn out to be expensive lessons for all involved. Leos get paid to go to court, I do not, meaning time off work etc. and civil action against a city or leo can be time consuming and expensive and they have their own lawyers. Way to much grieve for me. I'd rather avoid the confrontation and spend my time enjoying life and my guns. Just think it would be easier to educate and move on.

If a LEO thinks something is illegal, then he should be able to articulate why, and then look up the PC. There's no reason why they can't look up PC to ensure they're doing the right thing. If that's too much, then they can ask for help from one of those people with more stripes. Generally this is what they get paid more money for, so they can assist the people with lesser stripes.

[Beatone]

I don't carry paperwork for my blackies, its 2011...people been living under a rock? If the leo doesn't know they are legal by now, he probably shouldn't be a leo. If he chooses to make it a deal its going to be a very expensive lesson on the city's behalf and the leo, not mine.

I agree. I don't carry papers on my AW's. Cop can run them if he likes, I'm legal.

[MrPlink]

now that I think of it, whenever Im at USI I see so much illegal stuff its not even funny.
Some of the shooters even admit to it!
Just last week I heard a guy say "yeah, I only use the mag lock when transporting"

but not once have I ever seen an RO there even blink over it. If you are following the rules of the range, they couldnt care less.