Survival Rifle

[SHTFplz]

Alright, there are a few questions that need to be answered here. But first I will give you the situation:

Sit Rep:
It is a "Red Dawn" scenario (it's a great movie, if you've never seen it). That's right, it's S to the F time. Invasion of the homeland, populations are scattered into the hills. You are now on you're own. You need an all-around weapon to hunt and provide for yourself with, and engage enemies in both offensive & defensive scenarios. You need a balance of CQB and long range. Minimal weight and accessories. Batteries might not always be available.

You've managed to escape capture with only the clothes on your back, a rifle, and limited ammo. And were lucky to have done so!

Q's:
1. What single rifle will you choose? Why?

2. What caliber? Why?

3. Attachments? Why? (for each)

4. Any other special configurations / modifications? Why? (for each)

5. Where will you most likely reside (example: Desert, Forest, Mountains, Uban)? Why? (other than it being the area you live in)

6. Other than your electronic attachments, what part(s) of your weapon is most likely to fail you? Why?

7. Cleaning supplies are depleted. At the moment there is no chance of replenishing them. Based on your chosen location from Q#5, how will you clean your weapon if, for what ever reason, it has become too dirty to operate?

8. How would you choose to survive? Guerrilla warfare or hide and wait it out?

9. How closely configured is the rifle you actually own to the rifle you described here? What are the differences?

[StraightShooter]

Use the search function. Calguns is the Mecca of shtf threads........ unfortunately.

[Dexster]

I already live in the hills, I have plenty of guns and plenty of ammo. Seriously, use search feature and you will find 3 like posts a week.

[SHTFplz]

Humor me?

[iskra31]

1. AR-15 in 7.62, Red Dawn-Russians=plenty of 7.62

2. ^7.62

3. Bipod and any Aimpoint that last 5+ years of battery life

4. Mods. Complete .22lr Upper for small game hunting for food, light ammo

5. Mountains because there is alot of cover and wildlife to live off of.

6. All depends on how much shooting you do

7.Oils from any animal killed, possibly?

8. Gorilla Warfare. make those people pay for invading us!

9. Very, I just ordered an Aimpoint PRO for battery life and ruggedness. Also have a CMMG complete .22 upper on the way.

[StraightShooter]

Humor me?

Ok, heres one that is just 5 posts below your thread right now.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=416671

[SHTFplz]

Ok, heres one that is just 5 posts below your thread right now.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=416671

Hey I've been checking them out. But I think Q#9 gives some people a little insight on their own need vs. want. No reason to be rude. I started this for thread for the exchange of dialog. If you're tired of this topic, you don't have to read it. I'm not forcing you. Just ignore it.

[SHTFplz]

4. Mods. Complete .22lr Upper for small game hunting for food, light ammo

7.Oils from any animal killed, possibly?

Hey, that's a good idea. .22 not as loud too. I don't know about the oils from animals tho.... wouldn't that just goo'p things up more?

[StraightShooter]

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=415271

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=416411

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=416461

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=413562

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=408497

This should keep you busy for a while.

[dunc289]

Alright, there are a few questions that need to be answered here. But first I will give you the situation:

Sit Rep:
It is a "Red Dawn" scenario (it's a great movie, if you've never seen it). That's right, it's S to the F time. Invasion of the homeland, populations are scattered into the hills. You are now on you're own. You need an all-around weapon to hunt and provide for yourself with, and engage enemies in both offensive & defensive scenarios. You need a balance of CQB and long range. Minimal weight and accessories. Batteries might not always be available.

You've managed to escape capture with only the clothes on your back, a rifle, and limited ammo. And were lucky to have done so!

Q's:
1. What single rifle will you choose? Why?

2. What caliber? Why?

3. Attachments? Why? (for each)

4. Any other special configurations / modifications? Why? (for each)

5. Where will you most likely reside (example: Desert, Forest, Mountains, Uban)? Why? (other than it being the area you live in)

6. Other than your electronic attachments, what part(s) of your weapon is most likely to fail you? Why?

7. Cleaning supplies are depleted. At the moment there is no chance of replenishing them. Based on your chosen location from Q#5, how will you clean your weapon if, for what ever reason, it has become too dirty to operate?

8. How would you choose to survive? Gorilla warfare or hide and wait it out?

9. How closely configured is the rifle you actually own to the rifle you described here? What are the differences?

Rifle.
For myself, Sauer 202
It's a takedown, and won't draw attention from the red team.
I'd like to be very clear on this point, the rifle is for hunting humans. Animals can be trapped silently, or fished.
Did you ever hear of Special Forces behind enemy lines hunting with noisy firearms, expending valuable ammunition.
No.
Have a think why that is.

Cal
.308
Lots of NATO surplus around.

Attachments
Scope.
laser rangefinder


Residence.
Coastal
Historically, humans have alway survived on the sea. Fishing costs no ammo.
Existing as a mountain man for extended periods is not possible without support. Ask an Alaskan.

Weapon Failures
What could possibly go wrong with a bolt action?
OK, Bolt.

Cleaning
Boiling water for the bore, followed by rope or some sort of cordage, followed by any kind of oil.
Worked on Enfields in the desert in WW2.

Gorilla Warfare.
I guess I'm restricted to a lot of chest beating and biting out the top of peoples skulls.
However, if it's Guerilla warfare, then intermittent sniping, say every 6 weeks. Then hide the gun.

The rifle I own is a pistol.
If I could afford the Sauer, and thought SHTF was really coming, I'd buy 10 Ishapores in 7.62 and start a Militia.

[dunc289]

1. AR-15 in 7.62, Red Dawn-Russians=plenty of 7.62

2. ^7.62

3. Bipod and any Aimpoint that last 5+ years of battery life

4. Mods. Complete .22lr Upper for small game hunting for food, light ammo

5. Mountains because there is alot of cover and wildlife to live off of.

6. All depends on how much shooting you do

7.Oils from any animal killed, possibly?

8. Gorilla Warfare. make those people pay for invading us!

9. Very, I just ordered an Aimpoint PRO for battery life and ruggedness. Also have a CMMG complete .22 upper on the way.

This counts as 2 guns surely?
If you can do that, then I'm getting the extra barrel and bolt for the Sauer in .338 Lapua.
100 rounds should last me about 5 years.

[quagmiles]

Discussed to death

[SHTFplz]

I'm surprised .308 is the domineering choice so far. 223/556 I always figured to be a better choice since it's primarily what our military is using and would be abundant, given it being a domestic situation. But yeah, if you're engaging enemies commonly equipped with .308.

LOL on the Gorilla/Guerrilla. Fixed.

[dunc289]

I'm surprised .308 is the domineering choice so far. 223/556 I always figured to be a better choice since it's primarily what our military is using and would abundant, given it being a domestic situation. But yeah, if you're engaging enemies commonly equipped with .308.

LOL on the Gorilla/Guerrilla. Fixed.

I tried to break it to you gently.

I'm assuming all our guys are dead. Somewhere else. So no abundant ammunition.
.308/7.62 NATO is the next most abundant long range killing round IMHO, but I'm no expert. Russian ammo won't work though will it? 7.63 x 39?

Forget about hunting though, unless you want to get caught.

[palakaboy]

I love these questions. the more I get asked, the better I get it into my head.


1. What single rifle will you choose? Why?
a: my ar15. I've got quite a bit of 5.56 stockpiled. It's also very easy to carry in large quantities as opposed to .308.

I was trained to handle this weapon during high stress situations in the army. I feel comfortable and confident with my skills on this particular platform.



2. What caliber? Why?
5.56 because if i die, i want the next swinging bangstick to pick up where i left off. Also because .223 barrels can't handle 5.56 but the 5.56 can handle .223

3. Attachments? Why? (
aimpoint w/ killflash- easier acquisition and i don't need to give off my position with that giant red front element.

sling- single point, made of atleast 30 feet of weaved paracord. - I just towed a car off the freeway using this stuff. it holds a place in my hard and in any of my bug out bags.

weapon mounted LED light- cause i might need it. LED's stay on for alot longer than halogen lights.

magpul ubr- compartment with extra detents, firing pin, lube, and a shoestring to quickclean the ar.

back up sights. cause electronics break. the aimpoint is easy to cosight with even if the LED inside breaks or I run out of battery.

tango down battlegrip- battery holder for my flashlight and spare bolt.


4. Any other special configurations / modifications? Why? (for each)

multicam paint job- I've gotten pretty good at doing these and I'm a firm believer in seeing is believing- if I'm not seen- they won't believe i'm there.

bulletbutton removal. cause the law's gone out the window as it is and I can't be fiddling with a bullet button in case i get a double feed. as well as quicker reloads.

piston kit- i haven't done enough research yet but I hear they increase rifle life- if I'm stuck with one for the rest of my life, I might want it to last as long as possible. also- reliability when dirty.

5. Where will you most likely reside (example: Desert, Forest, Mountains, Uban)? Why? (other than it being the area you live in)

nomadic. moving around rocks- it's harder to get a bead on me. but if i had to settle- the mountains. lots of little critters to eat.

if i had to be in an urban environment- the sewers. cause I can probably fit in there, while they can't.

desert- never. I'll stick out like a sore thumb and I don't play well in heat.

forest- sure. it's a great place to hide a semi-large group of people.

6. Other than your electronic attachments, what part(s) of your weapon is most likely to fail you? Why?

the effin bullet button. because it slows me down. drastically.
magazine malfunctions. again- low speed- ultra high drag.
my bolt, carrier, and the rest of the group. - not sure how milspec it is.


7. Cleaning supplies are depleted. At the moment there is no chance of replenishing them. Based on your chosen location from Q#5, how will you clean your weapon if, for what ever reason, it has become too dirty to operate?

refer to the back of my UBR as I carry some sort of lube kit with me wherever I go.

i hear that motor oil works. but chances are, early on the invasion- i'll kill some poor sumblitch and take his gun oil.

drench his shoelace in gun oil and run it through my barrel.

8. How would you choose to survive? Guerrilla warfare or hide and wait it out?

Guerilla warfare. IEDs and quick engagements if really necessary.

it's not in me to sit still.

9. How closely configured is the rifle you actually own to the rifle you described here? What are the differences?

it's all there minus the paint job and piston kit.