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  • dfletcher
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Dec 2006
    • 14787

    Folding stock FAL

    Just an FYI - there's a neat new DSA FAL @ City Arms - folding stock with para scope mount, 13" bbl with permanent fix FH bringing it to 16.25". Short gas system. Meets the 30" OAL when folded and is rock solid.

    It looks neat as hell - if you had your picture taken with it no one would believe you were in CA. I'm tempted to pick up a para kit for my own.
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    M. Sage
    Moderator Emeritus
    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • Jul 2006
    • 19759

    How much are they asking for it, I wonder?

    I still haven't been in there since the $800 used AKM...
    Originally posted by Deadbolt
    "We're here to take your land for your safety"

    "My Safety?" *click* "There, that was my safety"
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    • #3
      dfletcher
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Dec 2006
      • 14787

      There isn't a price on it yet, but the info I got was $1,800.00 to $2,000.00. I paid about $1,400.00 for my carbine - no scope cover, later bought nice wood & some odds & ends. I think mine's "purtier" but the folder & FH on theirs is just about as business like as can be.
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      • #4
        SemiAutoSam
        Banned
        • Apr 2006
        • 9130

        The only problem with this item is your options are severely limited you can only run with a fixed mag configuration as it has a permanent evil feature the flash hider.

        I paid 2500.00 for a real FN 50.63 about 4 months ago.

        Originally posted by dfletcher
        Just an FYI - there's a neat new DSA FAL @ City Arms - folding stock with para scope mount, 13" bbl with permanent fix FH bringing it to 16.25". Short gas system. Meets the 30" OAL when folded and is rock solid.

        It looks neat as hell - if you had your picture taken with it no one would believe you were in CA. I'm tempted to pick up a para kit for my own.

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        • #5
          dfletcher
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Dec 2006
          • 14787

          Agreed.

          Just as there's an MMG and BBs for some guns, too bad someone can't come up with a liner that eliminates the FH aspect. Am I wrong in assuming that an FH with a liner that eliminates the cuts through the side is no longer an FH?
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          • #6
            SemiAutoSam
            Banned
            • Apr 2006
            • 9130

            You could modify the FH by welding the slots up. but if your paying that kind of green for it it should be legal as it is.

            You could always get one of these.

            Note for 5K this guy does not even have the correct Bipod on the rifle.






            Originally posted by dfletcher
            Agreed.

            Just as there's an MMG and BBs for some guns, too bad someone can't come up with a liner that eliminates the FH aspect. Am I wrong in assuming that an FH with a liner that eliminates the cuts through the side is no longer an FH?
            Last edited by SemiAutoSam; 08-11-2007, 8:45 PM.

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            • #7
              dfletcher
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Dec 2006
              • 14787

              Too bad DSA doesn't list the thing as a "muzzle brake" - what's in a name, right?
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              • #8
                M. Sage
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                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                • Jul 2006
                • 19759

                This must be it. The SA58 Para Elite Compact:

                Slide 1 {acf_homepage_hero_slider_homepage_hero_slide_title} {acf_homepage_hero_slider_homepage_hero_slide_content} {term_name} Featured products Welcome to DS Arms and web store! D.S. Arms was founded 1987, we are known around the globe as the top innovator and manufacturer of FN FAL 7.62mm battle rifle system. We manufacture the complete FAL system right here in the United States in our own CNC machine […]


                Wow... I thought M1As were overpriced until I saw DSA's prices.
                Originally posted by Deadbolt
                "We're here to take your land for your safety"

                "My Safety?" *click* "There, that was my safety"
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                • #9
                  thedrickel
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Apr 2006
                  • 5576

                  Originally posted by SemiAutoSam
                  The only problem with this item is your options are severely limited you can only run with a fixed mag configuration as it has a permanent evil feature the flash hider.

                  What difference does it make if it has a flash hider or muzzle brake, it wouldn't make any sense to make a FAL para into a featureless build. You can spend half as much on a featureless FAL. DSA guns are nice, but at a 80% premium over how much it costs me to build one? No thanks, I will take a type 1 for 350

                  You can go featureless easy enough with a filled thumbhole or the MMG soon enough. FAL para requires a bullet button tho. I will make one for anybody that wants one for their para.
                  Last edited by thedrickel; 08-11-2007, 9:18 PM.
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                  • #10
                    C.G.
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Oct 2005
                    • 8205

                    Originally posted by dfletcher
                    Just an FYI - there's a neat new DSA FAL @ City Arms - folding stock with para scope mount, 13" bbl with permanent fix FH bringing it to 16.25". Short gas system. Meets the 30" OAL when folded and is rock solid.

                    It looks neat as hell - if you had your picture taken with it no one would believe you were in CA. I'm tempted to pick up a para kit for my own.
                    Something is wrong here. DSAs website lists this as 27.25" with the stock folded, which I certainly believe.
                    This must have a non-folding stock, longer barrel or muzzle device than you stated.
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                    • #11
                      M. Sage
                      Moderator Emeritus
                      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                      • Jul 2006
                      • 19759

                      They could have attached an extender to the back of the rifle, much like the side-folding off-list AKs.
                      Originally posted by Deadbolt
                      "We're here to take your land for your safety"

                      "My Safety?" *click* "There, that was my safety"
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                      • #12
                        SemiAutoSam
                        Banned
                        • Apr 2006
                        • 9130

                        Well it makes a difference as if its a featureless build I can use my 20-30 round mags in it. With a permanent mounted flash hider I cannot use those 20-30 round mags.

                        I can have a FN rifle setup to swap back and forth using a removable FH. with the addition of a standard butt stocked lower.

                        Originally posted by thedrickel
                        What difference does it make if it has a flash hider or muzzle brake, it wouldn't make any sense to make a FAL para into a featureless build. You can spend half as much on a featureless FAL. DSA guns are nice, but at a 80% premium over how much it costs me to build one? No thanks, I will take a type 1 for 350

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                        • #13
                          M. Sage
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                          • Jul 2006
                          • 19759

                          That's his point: folding stock = evil feature. You'd have to fix the stock, even though you paid about three hundred bucks for it.
                          Originally posted by Deadbolt
                          "We're here to take your land for your safety"

                          "My Safety?" *click* "There, that was my safety"
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                          • #14
                            SemiAutoSam
                            Banned
                            • Apr 2006
                            • 9130

                            The lower comes off the upper. Its not a big deal to purchase another standard stock lower. This stock lets you use 20 round mags. But if you have a perm flash hider installed your SOL.




                            Once the 2nd lower is attached it would look something like this.





                            Originally posted by M. Sage
                            That's his point: folding stock = evil feature. You'd have to fix the stock, even though you paid about three hundred bucks for it.
                            Last edited by SemiAutoSam; 08-12-2007, 12:12 PM.

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                            • #15
                              dfletcher
                              I need a LIFE!!
                              • Dec 2006
                              • 14787

                              The stock definitely folded - did it myself this afternoon. I'll amend my original post to say I didn't measure the thing, but was told by the crew it is CA OK when folded. I've always found them to be sticklers for the law.

                              I looked primarily at the right side of the gun, the DSA para posted earlier in the thread looks a little different in the folding area. The lower looked like this: http://www.dsarms.com/prodinfo.asp?number=P120USSETN Don't know if this earns a few extra inches. I was told the gun took about 8 months to get & was a special order. But other than the forward grip & the sight, cheekrest - have to say it does indeed look like the Para Elite posted.
                              Last edited by dfletcher; 08-12-2007, 12:44 AM.
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