No Scout squad in Cali???(UPDATE on Post #38)

[SmokinXds]

Long time listener, first time poster, please hear me out.
So I purchase a Springfield M1A Scout Squad from Buds Gun Shop via the interweb. Been savin my nickels and dimes for a long time for this.
Made connection with my local FFL for receiving/transfer, then get email from Buds stating that this rifle is not on the CA DOJ "Approved list", is a semi auto and is illegal in California.

My first thought is that Cali has no such "Approved list" for long guns, only a "Banned List" of which the M1A is not listed. No pistol grips, no flash suppressor, no thumb hole stock, no folding or collapsible stock, not even a super sexy grenade launcher; and ships with a 10 round mag.
To top it all off, two of the local gun shops have them sitting on the shelf, for about $400.00 more that the price at Buds.

I've contacted Buds via email, (their closed till Monday), and plan to call ASAP to try to sort this out. Even my FFL says their off their rocker.

I could use your guys help/opinions. Am I wrong here, or is the error on Buds? Do you think I'll be able to convince them otherwise if it is their error?

That extra $400.00 could sure buy a good bit of ammo, or maybe some optics...

[osis32]

Buds seems pretty cool I bet you'll be able to sort everything out.

[G60]

FUD.

Bud's states they won't sell any semi-automatic rifles to CA.
find an FFL that won't screw us over here. (referring to buds, not your FFL)

from:http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/shipping.php

"California - No Hi-Cap Mags without a Hi-Cap Mag Permit.
No Defense/Clip Fed Shotguns. No Semi-Auto Rifles. No M-16 Bolts.
Los Angeles, Sacramento, & San Francisco, CA - No Ammo without a FFL.

Funny how they fly under the radar when it comes to dealers we shouldn't support due to their stance on CA items.

[X-NewYawker]

Just got a scout from Rettings in Culver City. They have every M1-A barrel length and config., just about. No "banned list" there.

[West9319]

I've talked to a guy at bud's once in regarding buying a rifle with a pistol grip and asked about making it complaint, they didn't seem to want to have anything to do with CA other then just handguns on there fancy list.

I can understand not wanting to get involved with the fear of legal issues.. best thing to do is just move on to another shop, there loss of business you know.

[SmokinXds]

Thanks a lot for the responses so far.
This has really been disappointing so far, Buds was suggested to me by several people that have had positive experiences with them.
I guess if they don't want my business, I'll see if my local FFL can locate one for me here in the real world. It is a shame that by not willing to do business in cali, it is the people that get the short end of the stick, when it is the powers that be that come up with this nonsense. $400+/- is a huge deal, hard pill to swallow, thought I had this hurdle cleared, but not so sure now.

[West9319]

It happens sadly. It's what we have to deal with among other stupidities. I've come close to buying numerous guns because the price was great and then fall through cause of the shop not wanting to sell... It really sucks.

[Hump0311]

It happens sadly. It's what we have to deal with among other stupidities. I've come close to buying numerous guns because the price was great and then fall through cause of the shop not wanting to sell... It really sucks.

Kind of makes you feel like an outcast don't it.

[uzigalil]

As far as I know Scouts always came with a muzzle break

[SmokinXds]

Just an FYI. There are CA compliant M1A's that have a Springfield installed CA compliant muzzle brake. The standard M1A's come with a Flash Hider (per DOJ or BATF designation) and that causes the M1A's without the CA approved muzzle brake to be illegal in CA and deemed an Assault Rifle (too many banned features, i.e. detachable mag and a flash hider).

This could be was Bud's is worried about. The solution may be to have them install a CA compliant muzzle device.

Good luck with your purchase

Tim

No flash hider on this one, Scout Squad come with the "proprietary muzzle brake" from Springfield. It's a bummer for sure. Great gun at a great price. Guess if I want it bad enough I'll just have to cough up the extra cash.
So much for imports from the free world, here in cali, you gotta pay -extra- to play with the big boys. Good day Citizen.......

[Dan-0-]

I would talk to the local shops, and see if they would be willing to price match Bud's.
Tell them you'd rather give the money to a local shop. I would hope they'd be willing to work with a potential customer rather than lose the sale to another shop.
Good luck.

[West9319]

Kind of makes you feel like an outcast don't it.

Yes... Yes it does...

[P1X4R]

it has to be a mistake. i bought my m1a scout squad last march 2010 for $1,313.00 from them.

Model: AA9126

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/27590

[762.DEFENSE]

I feel you, a few years back Buds denied me a Saiga 7.62x39mm saying it wasn't CA legal. No matter how much information I gave to them, they weren't having it. Hope they will come across this thread and realize they're loosing CA customers.

[SmokinXds]

I would talk to the local shops, and see if they would be willing to price match Bud's.
Tell them you'd rather give the money to a local shop. I would hope they'd be willing to work with a potential customer rather than lose the sale to another shop.
Good luck.

I agree with you 100%. If it was me, as a business owner, I would be seeking the customer relationship for future purchases, rather that the fast buck.
I've already mentioned to my local FFL that if this deal with Buds falls through, I'll be looking for another supplier. In all reality, if I can get even a close price locally, I'd rather support the local/small business owner.

As far as I'm concerned, the money is already spent, it is just a matter of who will come through for me. This is something I've wanted for a long time.
I know that this rifle is Cal legal, and I'm not backing down now because of someone else's ignorance. This has been a long time coming, you don't spend $1,500+ without thinking it through.