Upper Questions

[SFFRONTMAN]

Thanks for all the helpful information, I was just nervous because I want a detachable mag build but I was worried that the flash suppressor might be permanent. I might just have to go the spikes can route, or the rra muzzle break.

[PIRATE14]

I was looking at the stag arms uppers halves Pre-Ban on their web site and they say that they are available in Post-Ban for CA and other states.

http://www.stagarms.com/righthalf.htm

What does stag do to these pre-ban uppers to make them post-ban and CA legal exactly. I'm new to this and just trying to understand it completely.

POST BAN means it comes w/ a Brake and no bayonet lug........

[mike452]

I always thought POST BAN mean no threaded muzzle and bayonette lug.

[aplinker]

I always thought POST BAN mean no threaded muzzle and bayonette lug.

It meant no federal evil features -- flash hiders and bayonet lugs among them. Brakes were ok.

[SFFRONTMAN]

Edited for my lack of knowldge!

[aplinker]

So with a detachable mag build, would I have to get rid of the bayonet lug? I didn't think that was considered an evil feature. That means if it is evil that I could just put on a gasblock with a rail instead of the bayonet lug.

The federal ban is over. A bayonet lug is NOT a CA evil feature. You're worrying me by asking so many questions about the actual CA assault weapon law. You might want to give it a read once more so you know what is and is not legal. Asking in a forum is helpful -- to understand logic and get explanation -- but something like this is laid out pretty clearly.

12276.1. (a) Notwithstanding Section 12276, "assault weapon" shall also mean any of the following: (1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following: (A) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon. (B) A thumbhole stock. (C) A folding or telescoping stock. (D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher. (E) A flash suppressor. (F) A forward pistol grip. (2) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds. (3) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches. (4) A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following: (A) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer. (B) A second handgrip. (C) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning his or her hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel. (D) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip. (5) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds. (6) A semiautomatic shotgun that has both of the following: (A) A folding or telescoping stock. (B) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, thumbhole stock, or vertical handgrip. (7) A semiautomatic shotgun that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine. (8) Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

[mcubed4130]

So with a detachable mag build, would I have to get rid of the bayonet lug? I didn't think that was considered an evil feature. That means if it is evil that I could just put on a gasblock with a rail instead of the bayonet lug.

Bayonet lugs, are totally legal everywhere now. Previously this was part of the 1994 AW ban, which expired in 2004. CA law, doesn't care about Bayonet lugs.

-M3

[SFFRONTMAN]

That funny because I just went over the pdf of California law again, and in small bold letters I read...bayonet lugs are fine..now I feel slow. Again thats for putting up with my limited knowledge in this area, but if you guys have any glock questions, id be more than happy to help out!

[aplinker]

That funny because I just went over the pdf of California law again, and in small bold letters I read...bayonet lugs are fine..now I feel slow. Again thats for putting up with my limited knowledge in this area, but if you guys have any glock questions, id be more than happy to help out!

I re-read my post and saw it came across harsher than I intended. I worry when people don't read the actual law and survive on hearsay and misinterpretation. It's one thing to find out about the death of series 2 and go read about it, it's another to just assume someone telling you it's true.

I owe a huge debt to the people at Calguns who laid out all of the details on what make OLLs legal, the arguments for why, the arguments w.r.t. the various laws. In the end, though, I went and read the laws for myself.

I had an argument today at the range with a RO who insisted a side saddle with buckshot was a loaded gun. People hear the Bushmaster Carbon-15 is the only CA-Legal AR. The list goes on. Don't believe what you're told without verifying its veracity.

[SFFRONTMAN]

Not a problem, as stated I am still relatively ignorant in this portion of firearms laws and building. Its always helpful to have a dedicated group of individuals online who know the law and what they are talking about, who are willing to help out someone new at this.

Mike