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  • CA Marine
    Member
    • Jan 2011
    • 118

    Question about difference between mil spec AR/M16

    I am currently doing a field exercise right now. Yesterday I had some down time so I broke my issued Colt M4 down to try and see differences between this and my S&W M&P15. I heard somewhere since we have 3 round burst that some of the components are a little different. Obviously I know the lower trigger mechanism is different to accommodate 3 round burst, but I really couldn't see any differences in the bolt, carrier. I really don't see my issued weapon being much different than my personal AR. Next question, what exactly is different in the lower that makes it auto? Can a semi lower be modified to make it auto? I know it would be illegal I am just curious.
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    dieselpower
    Banned
    • Jan 2009
    • 11471

    Some lowers can. It takes the 3rd hole for the sear and the shelf on some lowers needs to be milled out. Its not that hard. It can be done on a low shelf lower with a handheld drill in about 10 minutes.
    Last edited by dieselpower; 03-05-2011, 5:47 PM.

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    • #3
      crazychinaman
      Senior Member
      • Feb 2011
      • 1556

      Originally posted by CA Marine
      I am currently doing a field exercise right now. Yesterday I had some down time so I broke my issued Colt M4 down to try and see differences between this and my S&W M&P15. I heard somewhere since we have 3 round burst that some of the components are a little different. Obviously I know the lower trigger mechanism is different to accommodate 3 round burst, but I really couldn't see any differences in the bolt, carrier. I really don't see my issued weapon being much different than my personal AR. Next question, what exactly is different in the lower that makes it auto? Can a semi lower be modified to make it auto? I know it would be illegal I am just curious.
      Just the bolt carrier and trigger group. Yes ,It can be and would be illegal.

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      • #4
        dieselpower
        Banned
        • Jan 2009
        • 11471

        $2.SD each .;;;a". ..... - Automatic- Fire Conversions page 1 Automatic- Fire Conversions It has been my experience that the less a person knows about combat, the more he feels the necessity to use an automatic weapon for self-defense. Automatic fire is sometimes effective, but it is most often very wasteful. Automatic fire requires a well-trained gunner to be effective; at small distances from an automatic weapon, there are a lot of "holes" between points where bullets are


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        • #5
          CHS
          Moderator Emeritus
          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
          • Jan 2008
          • 11338

          M4/M16 uppers and AR15 uppers are generally identical. Some brands like Bushmaster and Colt in the past have made slight modifications to the Bolt Carrier to make them incompatible with full-auto lowers, but 90% of the uppers out there are all identical in function to an M4/M16 upper.

          The lower is where the difference lies. The trigger, hammer, selector, and disconnector are all different from a standard AR15 FCG, and there is the addition of the auto sear. Plus, with the burst variants like the M16A2 there are other parts like the burst cam and another spring.

          The internal FCG pocket on the AR15 is different than one on the M4/M16 as well. The M4/M16 is open wider further back to accommodate the auto sear. On the M4/M16 there is also a 3rd FCG hole above the selector for the pin to the auto sear.
          Please read the Calguns Wiki
          Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes...Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.
          --Cesare, Marquis of Beccaria, "On Crimes and Punishment"

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          • #6
            CA Marine
            Member
            • Jan 2011
            • 118

            Thanks everyone! Some really good info!

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