FN SCAR 16S versus Bushmaster ACR Part 2

[JohnnyRooks]

Since the first thread of the SCAR versus ACR was deleted i'm making a new one to continue the discussion.

N.B. I'm no firearms expert and it is just my personal opinion. So don't shoot me.

I got to chance to shoot and compare my FN SCAR againt's CRTguns Bushmaster ACR. Shooting my SCAR is like a dream, recoil is light, accuracy is good. Ergonomics wise it's kinda bulky and fat but it's a non issue for me. First impression with the ACR in the gun store.. well it's front heavy and not well balanced. I feel like my arm was sore after holding the gun for a few seconds since i am using thumb over bore technique or some called it Chris Costa Mall Ninja Technique or whatever. I feel like it's flimsy and an overated gun after Shrubmaster took over the project Masada. I'm not gonna go more into details of the takedown or whatever cosmetics since it is not purpose of this thead.

Then we take turns shooting our guns and CRTguns handed me his ACR. I was like wait a second.. this ain't the gun i handled a few weeks back. It is much lighter weight around 6-7 lbs. Yes he heavily modified the gun like cutting off the barrel and pinned a muzzle brake to make it shorter but legal. Took off metals that hanging off the barrel and shave off several pounds/ounces. CRTguns will explain more on his mods when he chime in later. The ACR is well balance that it is no longer front heavy.

So i grab a mag and start blasting off those VTAC target. My first impression was like.. woooooooo it feels like i am shooting a .22LR and my grouping from 25 yards was tight. Considering my skill level is like shooting a birdshot shotgun groups most of the time.

Tried another run and pretty much the same thing happened. I feel like i grow a man beard and transformed into Chris Costa. I shoot forward, backward and lateral in a fast pace motion but my accuracy did not suffer at all.

As of these writing I can say the ACR is superior to the FN SCAR... let me rephrase it again.. The modified ACR is superior to the FN SCAR. I will prolly ask him to do some TLC to make par with the ACR.

CRT playing with the Shotgun ACR.

[Outta Control]

I think your comparison and analysis is flawed. Since you've been shooting your SCAR you become complacent and firing anything else would be so different that it may seem better. What you need is someone who has never shot either gun to give him/her 200 rounds for each rifle to get a fair evaluation.

[JohnnyRooks]

Flawed or not but i call a spade a spade.

Funny thing that i forgot to mention that there was an army guy who just got back from iraq jan. 31, 2011. He should my SCAR first and he said he loves it. Then shoot the ACR and his first words are "oh my soul" grinning...lol

[Toolbox X]

Tell Bushmaster to start selling the CRT version of the ACR. What is the total price tag to do all of the CRT mods and how hard is it to get them done?

One of the SCAR's finest qualities is it is absolutely amazing right out of the box. The BUIS are fantastic. The weight is fantastic. Etc.

I want to know how a stock ACR shoots compared to a stock SCAR.

[drclark]

so how much would crtguns charge someone to perform similar modifications to their ACR? Is the modified ACR good enough to justify its base price plus the modification costs vs the cost of the SCAR?

Also, is it really fair to compare a smith-tuned gun vs a presumably stock gun? You should have also had a bone stock ACR in the shoot off for comparison.

[JohnnyRooks]

Tell Bushmaster to start selling the CRT version of the ACR. What is the total price tag to do all of the CRT mods and how hard is it to get them done?

One of the SCAR's finest qualities is it is absolutely amazing right out of the box. The BUIS are fantastic. The weight is fantastic. Etc.

I want to know how a stock ACR shoots compared to a stock SCAR.

CRT can answer your questions. But he do mods for a fair price. He works on one of my AR's and makes a hell lot of a difference. He shave off the hammer and sear, change the spring and it like shooting a different a gun. From a long reset to a short reset and lighter trigger pull. I don't have to buy an expensive Giselle trigger to get it work.

I still love my SCAR but it needs some mods to make it great weapon system.

[pyro3k2]

Just a picture thread thank Allah, Great pictures by the way.

[JohnnyRooks]

so how much would crtguns charge someone to perform similar modifications to their ACR? Is the modified ACR good enough to justify its base price plus the modification costs vs the cost of the SCAR?

Also, is it really fair to compare a smith-tuned gun vs a presumably stock gun? You should have also had a bone stock ACR in the shoot off for comparison.

CRTguns can answer you that. I don't know how much he charges but he is a very reasonable guy. He is not one of those money hungry gun store owners. For some reason he don't charge me at all everytime i ask him to work on my gun.

here's a better view of his ACR..

[CRTguns]

To call that spade a spade... our comparison was not long range, no inclement conditions. Out to @ 40 yards at practical sized targets. The ACR will deliver more rounds, more accurately, in less time start to finish. That means, from low ready, buzzer sounds- get gun up, find sights, hit the trigger while coordinating with sight picture and movement... lets put it this way- if you were paying us by the hour to get rid of some insurgent bad guys- you'd get better service, and for less money with the ACR.

One of the major problems with SCAR at close range is the really extreme sight/barrel offset- the hit happens 4-5 inches below point of aim. That can be a problem. The overall height of the thing- it can be dealt with, but will require lots of practice and calibration.

My ACR has lost 6.5 ounces, and finishes at 16.1 from breech face. TTI muzzle brake. Trigger got a spring kit and a polish job.

Not to forget is the ex mil guy- played security detail for a very important and decorated "person" in many locations- this guy had the top of the line, cutting edge available to him in the way of weapons. "Oh.....My Soul!" were his words for the ACR.

Round about $300 to do it all. Brake, contour, refinish, trigger.

on a side note... I'm usually not one to boast to a weapons ability to change and adapt- I think they should be very, very specific and suited to a task. My ACR is tweaked to really shine up to 200yds. The SCAR was somewhat medium range, multi-use. The result will be the same with a cqb specific SCAR or a medium range multi-role ACR, given the right add-ons and mods.

[Outta Control]

From that photo it the chamber looks like its an open bolt.

[JohnnyRooks]

From that photo it the chamber looks like its an open bolt.

Its airsoft.. lol

I have stand in front/near of him to take Photos.. so the open bolt is to make sure the chamber is empty..

[MrPlink]

nice thread, and good to know that the ACR can be brought up to speed, but I dont see this as remotely fair of a comparison because you have a fairly (and as it sounds "expertly") modified rifle vs one with just bolt ons and the like.

[Toolbox X]

Does the $300 include the $200 Troy Micro Battlesights?

[CRTguns]

Does the $300 include the $200 Troy Micro Battlesights?

No- sights are up to you.


Johnnyrooks- That video needs to be named "ACR Executions."

[docsmileyface]

Im stunned by your eloquence

nice thread, and good to know that the ACR can be brought up to speed, but I dont see this as remotely fair of a comparison because you have a fairly (and as it sounds "expertly") modified rifle vs one with just bolt ons and the like.

Yeah its kind of like

"THE ACR IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN THE SCAR....!"

"....After you completely have everything reworked by someone with a machine shop...."